Yeah, I guess he's not the best example of the "noob" phenomenon I'm talking about, but there are all these alt-right dudes who will talk about "the greatness of western civilization" and then just list off all the classical music and paintings referenced in bugs bunny cartoons.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 29 March 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
jbouie otm
― gbx, Friday, 29 March 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
steve king fits into that. he's a dunce who can barely form a sentence and he spews endlessly about the superiority of western culture.
i'm pretty sure ben shapiro is a philistine too.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 29 March 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
xpost
i mean this is all textbook irony i guess.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 29 March 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
the followup tweet about his insanely racist novel is worth a look too.
― JoeStork, Friday, 29 March 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
all the classical music and paintings referenced in bugs bunny cartoons.
― Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
― JoeStork, Friday, March 29, 2019 10:43 AM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true allegiance!
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
he is an absolutely shit writer, speaking of western civ. Don't know about his violin playing.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link
I mean none of this is any surprise, since smart people with smart ideas do not tend to gravitate to the right. Being "the thinking man's conservative" is akin to being the funniest guy on MadTV.
― frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:08 (five years ago) link
i dunno, there's been some funny folks on madtv
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
lol isn't madtv beloved on ilx?
― gbx, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
Alex Jones' video deposition from the Sandy Hook case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7siWJ86g40
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
xpKey and Peele were both on MadTV iirc
― rob, Friday, 29 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyM09DhoLeQ
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link
oof
Who do you miss the most?— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) March 29, 2019
― frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2019 20:20 (five years ago) link
Key and Peele and Andy Daly were all on MadTV
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:15 (five years ago) link
If a person likes all these... classical, black metal, neo-folk, goth, classical drawing/painting/sculpture, pessimistic horror, Gaspar Noe, Lars Von Trier and reads books in the vein of Apocalypse Culture... then there's a 30% chance they are racist.
I love most of these things, and have a degree of respect for the rest, but I've seen quite a bunch of racists in these communities.
If Cartoon Network is the main bedrock of your culture, and anime is a large part of your diet, there is 80% chance you are horrible and a 100% chance you need a more varied diet.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 March 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
and a 100% chance they're a sexist man
― cheese canopy (map), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:35 (five years ago) link
alright I take it back. MadTV had some funny people on it. I will workshop this metaphor.
― frogbs, Friday, 29 March 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
thank you, frogbs
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 March 2019 21:58 (five years ago) link
Some of these guys seem very fond of the idea the anime, manga and Japanese videogames had a large influence on "right wing thought" (I heard some guy actually say this, sounding very pleased with himself).
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 March 2019 22:14 (five years ago) link
Xps - a layman ask: in that Jones deposition his lawyer keeps saying, basically every time Jones knows he's screwed, "objection is the form". What's that mean?
― Ned Trifle X, Friday, 29 March 2019 22:54 (five years ago) link
He's saying "objection as to form."
OBJECTION! FORM:You can object to the form of a question in deposition.
For certain form questions, if you do not objection at the deposition, it is waived at future hearings. So speak now, or forever hold your objection.
An Attorney objecting to the form of a question is asking the other attorney to clarify a specific point. Common examples of objections as to form include: lack of authentication, compound, asked and answered, ambiguous then object to the form of the question.
Leading is also an objection to form, but this does not apply to hostile witnesses. In most jurisdictions, you simply say the following: “Objection. Form”.
Other jurisdictions will want you to clarify the type of form objection, so you would say, “Objection. Form. Compound”. In any case, don’t be a goon and ramble speaking objections (see below).
― 16 Historic English ILXors You Must Explore Soon (WmC), Friday, 29 March 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
i know we want to be able to dismiss all racists and fascists as fundamentally dilettantes and philistines but i'm not sure it actually works like that, and that's the real cause of the frustration for me
i don't know if i'm a philistine or not but i do know that a lot of great artists who were around in the '30s were nazis or at least willing to play nice with the nazis. i have neither the inclination nor the authority to mitigate or make excuses for anybody's actions, and i also have the inability to pretend someone's political beliefs make them an artistically inferior musician or composer. to me, bronislaw huberman is numbered among the righteous as a human being and was also an amazing first-class violinist, alfred cortot is most definitely not numbered among the righteous as a human being and was an amazing first-class pianist.
honestly, on some level i do think it's valid to dismiss large swathes of the classical canon on the grounds that the people who did those parts were racist and fascist assholes, but for me at least the music, in most cases, outlives the assholes who made it.
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Just came across this on twitterhttps://antifascistneofolk.com/2019/03/27/announcing-a-blaze-ansuz-a-chronicle-and-playlist-of-antifascist-neofolk/
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
https://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/review/primary_image/reviews/great-movie-mephisto-1981/homepage_EB20080821REVIEWS08323AR.jpg
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 01:12 (five years ago) link
If a person likes all these... classical, black metal, neo-folk, goth, classical drawing/painting/sculpture, pessimistic horror, Gaspar Noe, Lars Von Trier and reads books in the vein of Apocalypse Culture... then there's a 30% chance they are racist.and a 100% chance they're a sexist man
phew good thing I don't like Noe!! (idk what that book is)
― Simon H., Saturday, 30 March 2019 01:33 (five years ago) link
we should do an optimistic horror poll
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 02:08 (five years ago) link
Hmm...like classical musichate black metalhate folk (neo- or otherwise)like Sisters of Mercy but have no use for anything else "goth"prefer abstract art to representational artdon't know what "pessimistic horror" is (I like horror generally but think Thomas Ligotti's terrible) hate Noereally hate Von Trierliked Apocalypse Culture and love books on cults, hoaxes, and similar subjects in generalabout 80% of the music I listen to in a typical day is jazz
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 30 March 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link
and yet you're 100% an asshole!
the only rule is there are no rules man
― cheese canopy (map), Saturday, 30 March 2019 05:03 (five years ago) link
i feel like one of the things that suffers most from the frequently reactionary nature of classical culture is classical music as a living tradition, there's so much great classical music being made today, especially now that women aren't being systematically excluded from composition and performance, but nobody gets to hear most of it. this isn't the fault of the orchestras, most of which go out of their way to program works by living composers, it's more of a wider problem with the culture imo
i'm not saying we should just throw out beethoven, but it does seem like there's just not much room in a lot of people's heads for new classical music
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 06:36 (five years ago) link
xps Thanks WmC!
― Ned Trifle X, Saturday, 30 March 2019 08:28 (five years ago) link
Heh, your exceptions converge with mine. We're safe.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 30 March 2019 09:31 (five years ago) link
Rushomancy- I'm not an expert on either but doesn't theatre suffer from this too?
Lars Von Trier is the only thing I listed that I actually kind of dislike but I have enjoyed some of his work.
I don't know if modern Nazis dislike abstract art (I wasn't really thinking of that, I like most kinds of drawing/painting/sculpture) but that seems like a general conservative thing to me, though obviously some conservatives love it.
I find Apocalypse Culture and its ilk interesting but cant really be bothered anymore. I heard it once described as "the book that launched a thousand fanzines".
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 12:20 (five years ago) link
i know nothing about theatre. i also know little about classical music - can't read, don't play, and i'm certain there are still problems that exist there, i don't want to say all the old problems have been solved - but there's at least enough for me to be encouraged!
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
I'm only wary of classical enthusiasts who poo-poo contemporary composers. (That's most of them, I guess.)
― pomenitul, Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
dislike noe but his new one looks great :\
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 30 March 2019 15:07 (five years ago) link
i'm not sure how "ben shapiro is an idiot and a philistine" was taken to mean "there are no great artists who were or are fascists".
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
obviously ben shapiro is not wagner or hamsun.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
He's Daffy Duck in the era when Daffy just existed to be pissed off by Bugs Bunny. I miss the old loony Daffy.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link
ben shapiro is clearly an idiot, i don't know him or care to know him enough to judge whether or not he is a philistine.
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
He can't be a philistine - he's too stupid to have tastes, whether good or bad.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 30 March 2019 15:37 (five years ago) link
What a sad shame this shitbird couldn't eat his fried chicken in peace and quiet. Guess there are consequences for those that incite the harassment of parents of murdered children. Glad he is being sued and I hope the Sandy Hook parents take everything. pic.twitter.com/PkkmhKPB1a— Vic Berger IV (@VicBergerIV) March 30, 2019
― gbx, Saturday, 30 March 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link
Ben Shapiro is instagram influencer adjacent.
― Yerac, Saturday, 30 March 2019 16:05 (five years ago) link
Ben is obsessed with AOC because seeing someone nearly 6 years younger than him (who didn’t even go to Harvard) have such a massive effect on the political discourse reminds him that all his past precociousness has fizzled out and he’s basically a 35 year old youtuber. pic.twitter.com/0z3XkZmStr— Insincere Hemingway (@theatlasofworld) March 30, 2019
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 1 April 2019 06:35 (five years ago) link
tbh, i can kind of relate.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 1 April 2019 06:36 (five years ago) link
that tweet fair point, but let's not overlook the occam's razor explanation: that aoc makes ben incredibly horny and he's v mad and confused about it
― mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 April 2019 09:47 (five years ago) link
bg otm, she confuses a lot of the fash like that
― gyac, Monday, 1 April 2019 09:54 (five years ago) link
Fascism means never having to say you're horny
― The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 April 2019 09:56 (five years ago) link