Things you were shockingly old when you learned

Julian Assange is only 47! wtf dude.

ppl say by the time u 50 u got the looks you deserve.

some ppl just go for palpatine asap

silver mangy coyote

The (former) existence of Est (Erhard Seminars Training)

xpost- i was rethinking my shitpost above while on the move. i gotta add that so many ppl (most?) live or are forced to live lives of _exceptional_ stress or hardship by 50. if the aphorism i repeated is true, let us all be benchmarked appropriately, i guess. i don't have deep knowledge of assange's paths and acts. not optimistic about him tho

Alba - as in you thought it was just in the Americans?

Julian Assange is only 47! wtf dude.

https://i.redd.it/052h540xgb5y.jpg

yikes thats a big hueg sorry.

Grayce - I just mean I'd never heard of Est at all and when I did it felt like the kind of thing I would have heard of.

The (former) existence of Est (Erhard Seminars Training)

my late realization was that Werner Erhard was actually an American who adopted a fake German name

Have you heard of the Landmark Forum, Alba?

If I had it hadn't registered with me. I know now that that's what Est sort of became.

Haven't watched The Americans – but the person I heard about Est from mentioned that it featured on there (and also explained the Landmark Forum thing).

Anyway, looking at Wikipedia taught me that Est itself had the Human Potential Movement as is antecedent, which again I didn't know of but that in turn had its roots in Maslow's theory of self-actualization, which I did know about so finally I have something to latch on to. I feel like I'd like to watch a documentary on all these things and it would probably be by Adam Curtis.

Sorry for all the typos, Grayce etc

Googling confirms my suspicion that Curtis's Century of the Self deals with Maslow so I should probably just rewatch that.

A former girlfriend of mine (a big Americans fan, oddly enough) got wrangled into a Landmark meeting by her roommate, who was advanced in it. She raved about the first session, saying she experienced a bigger breakthrough than in years of therapy, tried to get me to go... then a few weeks later said it was definitely cult-y and never returned. And yeah, considering how long it existed, I rarely find someone who knows what it was, and I don't see it mentioned much in popular culture, The Americans aside.

I knew there was a long old ILX thread on it:

Landmark Forum

I spoke at length with a close friend who'd been through the program. He told me he had absolutely benefitted from it, immeasurably-- it effectively cured his depression. But he was also angry about the way the program was presented to him, the weird secrecy around it, and did not wish to recommend it to anyone for that reason.

His conclusion was that the philosophy that was taught to him by Landmark ran so counter-intuitively to currently-held ideas about mental health, trauma, and privilege, that the weird "cultishness" of the program was a way of keeping its essentially Thatcher-esque "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" methodology away from any critical purview.

JUst listened to a Things You Missed In History Class talking about how the Presidential Pardon worked. Came from 2008 and was talking about scandal involving Scooter Libby getting his sentence commuted when he hadn't served a day. & i mainly know the guy's name from Trump having pardoned him.
I assumed he'd just been serving time until trump came along, so had he done something further in between that got him sentenced again.

on the hand I wanna know more, on the other ive got no time-energy for any more of that dbag

I think he just added to an existing scandal, somebody that most people thought was guilty was freed in 2008 or thereabouts and then supposedly utterly exonerated about a decade later amongst a series of abuses of the Presidential pardon.

"Bette Davis Eyes" (by Kim Carnes) is a cover.

what the hell, crypto! Never knew there was an original out there either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQsOJbs-yo

Careful playing this. I blacked out and woke up inside the town square's gazebo.

just found out that status quo's - arguably best known - song "rockin' all over the world" is a cover

Bette Davis Eyes" (by Kim Carnes) is a cover.

― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:52 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark

this is also new to me

Same, Kim Carnes version is far superior though.

Rockin' All Over the World is a John Fogerty song innit?

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Agreed, the Carnes version is gorgeous; the DeShannon sounds like a it was intended as album filler.

I like this tidbit, from Wiki, though:

Actress Bette Davis, then 73 years old, wrote letters to Carnes, Weiss, and DeShannon to thank all three of them for making her "a part of modern times," and said her grandson now looked up to her. After their Grammy wins, Davis sent them roses as well.

Rockin' All Over the World is a John Fogerty song innit?

― Stevolende, Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:11 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, id never heard it

Count me among the number who had no idea about 'Bette Davis Eyes'.

I'm sure the Bacharach poll is eliciting more than a few double takes among those who are just now realizing (as I did only a couple years back when I heard the Warwick version) that 'Always Something There to Remind Me' is also a cover.

whoa about the carnes being a cover, before internets musical provenance was a ~mystery~ (esp if you were a kid).

Rockin' All Over the World original is 10x better than the Quo's piss-poor effort. 'In The Army Now' is a cover too, which I only found out recently.

Yep, the original is by the Dutch Bolland brothers, who also produced and co-wrote Falco’s “Rock Me Amadeus”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_6TT0YCFc

so of the quo singles I've ever heard only pictures of matchstick men and whatever you want are originals. my god. i actually like the former

just now realizing (as I did only a couple years back when I heard the Warwick version) that 'Always Something There to Remind Me' is also a cover.

Which of the 972 versions did you not realise was a cover?

from a personal point of view i don't consider versions of a song written by a songwriter but not originally performed by them to be covers

they're just versions to me

xxpost The one that was huge on '80s pop radio and MTV and commercials, da-doy.

since everybody around the world obviously knows which one that was, let's all enjoy it here

That isn't quite what I had in mind, let me think for a sec, which version is the one I meant, oh here it is: [PICTURE OF MY MIDDLE FINGER]

thread purpose seems to be "why didn't I know this before, it's crucial/obvious/I should have known," right?

realizing that a cover version that was ubiquitous in your youth was not the original, but was also widely covered, seems to be a bullseye on the thread purpose and I'm not sure why we're pointing and acting like admitting ignorance on a thread for that purpose is a zing

mh was shockingly old when he realized that sic is a wiseacre know-it-zll.

there was no snark in my question btw - America honestly isn't the entire world, and growing up in the '80s this was a Bacharach song that middle-aged people would sing on variety shows. I wasn't and am still not aware of a ubiquitous MTV version, so had no way of knowing that simply asking a polite on-topic question would be taken as offensive

so in a way, I guess I have been otm in this thread

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(There's)_Always_Something_There_to_Remind_Me#Naked_Eyes_version

I learned today it charted higher in Australia than in the US! :)

I've only heard that version since moving to canada. wiki says it didn't chart in the uk so that checks out

fyi the snarky part was "of the 972 versions"? I get it's something to snark on because there are a shitload of covers, but it comes off as "you dummy, this has a zillion covers, why would you think you were hearing the original" when obviously OL hadn't been exposed to or didn't remember hearing other ones

I learned today it charted higher in Australia than in the US! :)

ha! I guess I've heard it before, those syndrums have a tiny dash of proust, but I'd bet it just prompted the radio station to which my parents listened to play Dionne Warwick and Jose Feliciano

I only saw two music videos prior to 1987 iirc

fyi the snarky part was "of the 972 versions"?

hmm okay but it's not "DUH you should have known because of the 972 versions of this song by a songwriter OL YOU GIANT DUMMY," it's "ooh, how about a little more context for those of us who know this as a song by a songwriter, OL, you l'il dickens"

fair

vincent gallo and vincent cassel are not the same person