Mordy, don't keep us in suspense - what exactly is this critical mystery issue? (I'm assuming it's climate change and that it just fell out of the post partway through...)
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:53 (five years ago) link
i'd also prob prefer bernie as her running mate to her as his
sorry, maintaining a distinction mordy makes upthread-- i meant VP here, not running mate.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 April 2019 16:53 (five years ago) link
xp yes sorry thought that was obv
― Mordy, Friday, 26 April 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
this is ilx, people recognize a lot of existential threats. could have been about DMB fans for example.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:58 (five years ago) link
look I don't like Buttigieg either but there's no need for hyperbole
― Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
lol
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 April 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link
re: Corbyn, AFAICT he's actually been pretty successful at holding his party together given the various strains of chaos at work...― Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 16:33 (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes and no - the party did splinter of course, though it's not been as big an issue as people maybe feared because the splitters are so politically inept not many other backbenchers have followed. there are still however massive internal fractures, the most visible manifestation of which are the recent manoeuvres by deputy leader tom watson. this has led to some disquiet in the membership with various CLPs passing motions of no confidence in TW. if a corbyn government is elected, it would face massive pressure from all sides from UK civic society... including from its own internal coalition of MPs and the detractors within the PLP. this is why there's a vocal strain of the membership who want the leadership to face down these people, democratise the party, and refresh the PLP
― ... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Friday, 26 April 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
The mechanics of British parliamentary politics are so different from US duopolistic politics I can never come to grips with them, whereas foreigners living under parliamentary systems, like Fred, seem effortlessly to grasp all the intricacies of US politics firmly by the pinkie finger.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
Thanks Mordy, and others, I somehow missed this thread had new answers since I asked the question(s). Lot to take in here!
I can imagine being shifted from Bernie to Warren, but its very difficult to imagine being shifted to any of the others
― anvil, Friday, 26 April 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link
same
― Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
Fred seem effortlessly to grasp all the intricacies of US politics firmly by the pinkie finger.
New board description?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 27 April 2019 09:24 (five years ago) link
The mechanics of British parliamentary politics are so different from US duopolistic politics I can never come to grips with them
Well its not about the intricacies of failing systems of governance, more that they fail in the first place, not how. Groups of people disagreeing, so many whose voices aren't heard, and so much failure to grapple with the issues...these are things that resonate on both sides of the pond.
Concentrating on mechanics is for nerds, basically.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 April 2019 11:17 (five years ago) link
impressionistically, i buy warren getting stuff passed more than bernie.
I don’t really get this line of thinking - chances of a Dem Senate are extremely slim, and a Republican Senate will try to block everything either one proposes. It seems to me like the main question is who can rally public support and anger during the inevitable prolonged shutdowns and stonewalling of their agenda. My impression right now is that Bernie would me more successful in that arena.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 27 April 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
are they that slim though? i thought the CW was that 2020 was a better senate map for dems than 2018, and in a world where bernie wins that probably means high dem turnout. not saying it's something to bank on, but i do think it's possible that if someone beats trump in 2020 they will be able to pass legislation, and that the big challenge will be making sure all dems vote for that legislation (could imagine certain dem senators already salivating at the prospect of being their party's susan collins).
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:55 (five years ago) link
https://www.270towin.com/2020-senate-election/
shows 3 tossups (AL, CO, AZ), 5 lean dem (MI, NM, MN, VA, NH), 3 lean rep (NC, GA, and ME). dems need to keep their leans, win the 3 tossups, and one lean rep. or if they lose jones' AL seat, they'll need two lean rep seats. it'll be a challenge but i think if they can amass a turnout similar to 2018 they could grab CO, AZ, NC, and ME.
― be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
GA sen becomes competitive to me only if abrams runs. likewise tx if joaquin castro runs.
― be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
Means TV with a cute bit featuring some Pod Damn Venezuela podcasters...
All the U.S. media coverage of Venezuela: pic.twitter.com/LKdCARrUOg— MEANS TV (@means_tv) May 15, 2019
U.S. media coverage of Venezuela: 2/2w/ @feraljokes @melisshious @andersleehere pic.twitter.com/dBxbh3qjPu— MEANS TV (@means_tv) May 15, 2019
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
The left has won the elections in Denmark, w/ Labour being the biggest party and enough left seats to form a coalition, aiui. But I'm hearing Labour won because of a tougher anti-immigration stance? Care to elaborate for us, Fred B?
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 June 2019 09:51 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's a massive victory for the left of centre. The far right collapsed, DPP, the populist anti-immigration 'economic anxiety' type party suffered what seems to me to be the biggest collapse for any party in a 100 years, lost 12,4% and went from 21,1% to 8,7%. The Libertarian party collapsed as well, from 7,5% to 2,3%. It's true that 'Labour' (the Social Democrats) has moved to the right on immigration, and the leader underlined that fact a lot in her victory speech, but the result is that they've stayed steady, and every other left wing party has had a huge increase. Except for the far left, the party I vote for :( So all in all, a good evening, and the voters has pretty conclusively rejected the alliance of small government libertarianism and harsh immigration policy, which has basically dominated the country for twenty years at this point. in the end, it was unstable, the racists wanted bigger government, not smaller, just only for whites, so it can't work anymore. We'll see what happens, I don't expect the country to become a multiculturalist utopia, it's too far gone for that (a party of pretty straight up nazis/alt-right 4chan weirdoes very nearly made it into parliament) but I do think the consensus has been shattered. We'll see.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 6 June 2019 09:59 (four years ago) link
Thanks for that! This is all good news, esp the DPP's disintegration. With the far right on the rise in Sweden I thought perhaps it might stay that way in Denmark too, but I'm glad I made the wrong assumption. I read a profile about Mattias Tesfaye here, his story seems to have caught the media's attention. Frederiksen will be your youngest ever PM no?
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:59 (four years ago) link
She's probably the youngest at 41, yeah. But not by a lot. I'm not sure what happened to Tesfaye?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:57 (four years ago) link
They profiled him as a "popular" politician under both Danes-by-birth and immigrants because of his half-Ethiopian background. He's in the running for integration minister? It was a bit of a "succesful immigrant" story (even though he's from Arhus iirc).
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
before we rushing to push our narratives on the Danish election results, it's important to remember the impact of local factors in Sunderland— James (@Gilofthepeople) June 5, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
Oh, okay, I didn't know that, I honestly thought he was still a Socialist. Mep. Too many young socialists move to the right.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 6 June 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
America's appetite for "big government" is at a 68-year-high. But the electorate's liberal mood may prove less durable and consequential than the leftward shift in elite economic opinion, after a decade of humiliations for center/right orthodoxy. https://t.co/1Z9phzvybk— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) June 8, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 8 June 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
The elites who matter most got massively wealthy during those "decades of humiliation" and those elites are still gung-ho for the orthodoxy that further enriches and empowers them. I predict that all those endowments the rich made to subsidize conservative economists, whether in universities or 'think tanks', will continue to serve their purpose by ensuring a steady supply of center/right orthodoxy, promulgated by well-fed economists who know enough not to bite the hand that feeds them. Eric Levitz sounds like a Sunday NYT feature writer looking for a crazy new "trend" he can be the first to discover.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 June 2019 03:41 (four years ago) link
Tesfaye just became integration minister. You really have the finger on the pulse LBI.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 27 June 2019 07:43 (four years ago) link
Not the right thread for this but Ive been watching a few prison channel youtubes this year (after prison show, big herc, lockdown 23and1), and a few recurring themes stood out
1) The relatively high levels of NON-partisan support for Trump. At this point in the cycle we're all "well people have made their minds up now, anyone still supporting him is unreachable, how can they be ok with whats happening", but nearly all the people here support Trump in an almost apolitical way. I could easily imagine these people saying exactly the same thing about Obama (or Bernie!), a kind of accepting, "well he's the boss, it can't be easy, I don't really know to be real with you".
I've always believed its better to go on the offensive with positives/policies than on the negatives with attacks on Trump (or anyone else), but really felt the futility of attacking Trump, "why you got to attack the man, he's just trying to do his job" instead of selling them something different
2) A general feeling of "they don't want us men to be men anymore". Ill-defined, as these things tend to be, and I don't know how much of this is a result of the horrors of the prison experience and what was needed to be able to come out the other side of it in some reasonable mental condition.
These are people invested in helping others, no obvious traits of conservatism or brain-worms. But I still found it easier to imagine them voting Republican rather than Democrat, and easier still (much easier!) to imagine them not voting at all
― anvil, Friday, 12 July 2019 07:10 (four years ago) link
In Atlanta for the DSA Convention. Helluva time.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 2 August 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
try not to elect any police union people to the steering committee this time!
jokes, that sounds fun, have some good praxis
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, 2 August 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
The window on policy has shifted to the point that the guy running on *automatically enrolling every uninsured person in a government plan" is the let 'em die candidate https://t.co/9NAYPjDp1m— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) August 2, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 2 August 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
I liked this, anice essay on organizing and the very different yet heavily personalized ways people get radicalized: https://firewithfire.blog/2020/05/10/organizing-is-not-about-getting-people-to-agree-with-radical-ideas/
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link
the washingtonpost.com liveblog
https://i.imgur.com/u0AWfy8.png
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 June 2020 02:56 (three years ago) link
woah
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 05:04 (three years ago) link
Who's been out protesting? How was yr experience?
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 05:15 (three years ago) link
i'm going to the American Embassy in London this Sunday
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 June 2020 08:15 (three years ago) link
2014:43% of Americans said that the killings in Ferguson and NYC were "signs of a broader problem" and 51% said they were "isolated incidents" in a Post-ABC pollToday: 74% say George Floyd's killing was a sign of a broader problem in a ABC-Ipsos pollhttps://t.co/zsoaNVqCrG— Emily Guskin (@EmGusk) June 5, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 June 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
Black Lives Matter. pic.twitter.com/JpXUFlxH2J— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) June 7, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
No comment
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link
I'm once again glad I made this thread
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:45 (three years ago) link
difficult listening hour wrote this on thread Democratic (Party) Direction on board I Love Everything on Sep 18, 2017
this country's going so far to the left you're not going to recognize it
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link
^^ I think about that post a lot
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/10/upshot/black-lives-matter-attitudes.html
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
It’ll be interesting to see how this is handled by the Sanders-aligned wing of the Democrats in the US and by left-wing elements of parties in other countries if it spreads. A lot of the defund / abolish positions I see are either far too radical for traditional electoral politics to encompass (abolish all police and prisons, remove the ability of the state / capital to enforce its will over the people, let new grass-roots organisations take their place, Sawant getting shouted down in Seattle for proposing a 50% budget cut, etc) or they’re not really that left-wing at all (if you defund the police and redistribute the money, you can set up new organs of the state to ensure that everyone’s material needs are met - like there’s one weird trick to achieving the outcomes of socialism, or more accurately ameliorating the effects of capitalism, without actually needing to have socialism).
idk, lets see what they do with it. Police budget cuts and redeployment of funds can obviously sit alongside a broader raft of reformist policies on education, labour relations, etc but there’s also a risk, as with Sanders’ own position, that this is simultaneously seen as not enough and way too much by different elements of the potential base.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 11 June 2020 06:28 (three years ago) link
basically the entire problem with the "Sanders-aligned wing" in the first paragraph there
― 1312 (Left), Thursday, 11 June 2020 09:16 (three years ago) link
A Sanders diehard wrestling with this:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/06/bernie-sanders-defund-police-uprising
In short, he implicitly said the police should be partially defunded and resources spent elsewhere but didn't say so explicitly, or go further and call for abolition - so by simply clarifying his call for something his supporters assume he already believes, he can capture the spirit of the time and successfully plot a course between people who want too much change and want no change at all.
idk who's going to find that enormously compelling.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 11 June 2020 11:13 (three years ago) link
I assume he needs this sort of "read it how you want" ambiguity to keep the more & less radical elements of his support however united they still are, he would have relied on it even more if nominated. like an angrier leftier obama
― 1312 (Left), Thursday, 11 June 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
the generosity extended to him by this writer, and by jacobin in general, is not really merited on this issue. corbyn was similarly appalling on the subject, and similarly more or less given a pass for it by jacobin's uk equivalents. i hope we can move on
― 1312 (Left), Thursday, 11 June 2020 11:39 (three years ago) link
sorry for Sh*r*l S8ndb*rg-referencing content but
In May, the Harris Poll and Just Capital, an independent research firm founded by the billionaire investor Paul Tudor Jones, surveyed 1,000 people on their thoughts about capitalism amid the pandemic. Only 25% of respondents said they believed our current form of capitalism ensures the greater good of society.For many this doesn’t come as a surprise. Prominent voices ranging from a top Harvard economist to the billionaire hedge-fund manager Ray Dalio have warned that capitalism would soon face a crisis because of the massive inequality exposed by the pandemic.Temporary hazard pay has shown how little grocery employees, food-delivery workers, and other essential workers are being paid (not to mention that many don’t get health insurance). The national closure of childcare centers also laid bare the unpaid work women do in the household. Black people, specifically Black women, were most at risk of layoffs and furloughs, and were less likely to survive (pay for groceries or rent) without work, according to research from Lean In, Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg’s nonprofit.
For many this doesn’t come as a surprise. Prominent voices ranging from a top Harvard economist to the billionaire hedge-fund manager Ray Dalio have warned that capitalism would soon face a crisis because of the massive inequality exposed by the pandemic.
Temporary hazard pay has shown how little grocery employees, food-delivery workers, and other essential workers are being paid (not to mention that many don’t get health insurance). The national closure of childcare centers also laid bare the unpaid work women do in the household. Black people, specifically Black women, were most at risk of layoffs and furloughs, and were less likely to survive (pay for groceries or rent) without work, according to research from Lean In, Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg’s nonprofit.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/capitalism-in-crisis-how-to-fix-capitalism-for-workers-2020-6?international=true&r=US
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 11 June 2020 12:47 (three years ago) link
anyway, nothing radical in there, but at least there's /some/ movement.
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 11 June 2020 12:48 (three years ago) link