the alt-right

Eye for an eye in the sense of proportional justice is also encouraged as a practicing Christian, no?
Even under a secular context, "tit-for-tat then forgive" is a game theoretic solid strategy.
I feel like the emboldening of alt-right sensibilities is the result of broader civilized culture's forgetting the tit-for-tat part and skipping directly to forgive.

I feel perfectly comfortable with not forgiving any of these people, actually. By the time they go on their journey of mistakes and regrets they’ve likely already contributed in some way to making another innocent person’s life worse. I don’t feel bad about this at all - they don’t know I exist and I don’t owe forgiveness to anyone who’s spent time spreading hate and bigotry which, as I think we all know by now, goes way beyond words.

acc to jewish tradition you can't forgive someone for something they did to someone else

(even god cannot. if you harm another person you need forgiveness from them - no matter how much you repent to god he cannot grant it.)

I guess it’s arguable someone in a white nationalist/racist/ Neo-Nazi movement agitating publicly for their aims is affecting all of us?

that's true but obviously some people are affected a lot more than others

if you can demonstrate real harm maybe but i don't really recall atm whether a category call "crimes against the community" really exist in the sense that you're talking about xp and nb that even "real harm" has to be an actual real thing. not liking what they're agitating for (even if it's pure evil) doesn't rise to the level of a sin against you. it would have to be an actual damage (it could be an emotional damage but it would have to be direct + personal).

iirc in one of Wiesel's books he talks about a Nazi who begs him for forgiveness and Wiesel rejects him on the basis that the Nazi never harmed him personally and he can't forgive the Nazi for the harm he did to other Jews - i think this is consistent with the laws of forgiveness as i remember them (disclaimer that i haven't read Wiesel or seriously studied said laws since high school).

as for how we treat ex-nazis as a society, I feel like there should be some path to redemption no matter how far you've gone, if only because it might encourage some racists to actually change their beliefs rather than digging in even deeper

i think there is a path to redemption. keep your head down, take a low profile job, maybe change your name if it was particularly egregious. idk that we need a route to redemption for former nazis who still want to be public figures tho.

maybe if the kind of public figure they want to transition into is explicitly doing anti-nazi work for the rest of their life

if you can demonstrate real harm maybe but i don't really recall atm whether a category call "crimes against the community" really exist in the sense that you're talking about xp and nb that even "real harm" has to be an actual real thing.

maybe if the kind of public figure they want to transition into is explicitly doing anti-nazi work for the rest of their life

This is the only path to forgiveness for them imo.

I do believe that everyone should have the opportunity for redemption/rehabilitation. I don't believe most people in need of redemption truly possess the patience/honesty/humility to see it through to fruition (and I don't think those on the path can safely declare they've reached its terminus until there's some general agreement from the world-at-large).

This TPM piece on the McHugh story is funny and somewhat interesting.

At least half of my time reading the piece I was thinking, why does this person merit a profile? As you probably know, I have little truck with the idea that we shouldn’t focus attention on horrible people. The whole idea that you accomplish anything by ignoring this stuff is something I’ve never bought into. But even in that world, she’s like a 4th tier generally ridiculous player. Really just a frivolous racist idiot. Reading the piece I wasn’t quite clear in what sense McHugh was even a journalist as opposed to someone who had a job for a far right publication and had a lot of racist tweets. And here I mean ‘journalist’ in the very thin sense in which I can accord the term to quite a few racists and habitual liars. Why am I reading this? There’s an element of coming of age narrative the story is presented with. But really it seems much more like she was another callow racist who zigged when she should have zagged and is not out of a job and broke and wants to change her story. In fairness, this version of the story doesn’t seem lost on the author of the article, Rosie Gray.

Maybe not alt right exactly but close enough for me. A well done graphic breakdown of the Punisher skull aesthetic.

https://popula.com/2019/02/24/about-face/

i complained about its failure to so much as mention don pendleton's "executioner" series last time it was posted, which got me an eye-roll, but i still think it's a pretty fucking critical oversight and will still complain about it

Wow at Laura Loomer having a meltdown on Alex jones show, and Alex Jones muted reaction is...."uh who is the crazy person on my show"

Get yr Ben Shapiro self-own lulz here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

i...i dont understand why he has a following. he's just a deeply unpleasant person to listen to.

Would love to hear more about these "the conservative halls of intelligentsia" where they're thrashing out new policies on healthcare.

(xxp) The lesson is never get into slanging match with a guy from Paisley.

Shapiro trying the classic motte and bailey approach, doesn't seem to work against tory disdain

Neil should have been better on the 'Ben Shapiro DESTROYS' better videos though, as they appear on his own website and Neil didn't seem aware of that

ben shapiro has ted cruz levels of anti-charisma

who is doing the violation

https://scontent.fewr1-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60011454_576156412873747_2844152649358508032_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-4.fna&oh=6246d76ec9e16d8fde9e757c05bf7775&oe=5D70AAD1

Majority Report had great fun with it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72kAibX4dJU

I was just scrolling through Facebook and saw an article that a relative posted. It was a USA Today article about Baltimore, MD being the most dangerous city in America. I clicked away from Facebook, but then wanted to go back and check out the article anyway. So I google up baltimore most dangerous city 2019 USA today. What was the first search result? Not USA Today, but amren.com!

Fuck Google.

This is some really, really scary shit.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/youtubes-newest-far-right-foul-mouthed-red-pilling-star-is

You weren't overstating it…

Fuck

i...i dont understand why he has a following. he's just a deeply unpleasant person to listen to.

if you're looking for a conservative who can occasionally sound smart it's either him or Scott Adams

the other thing is despite this guy's constant whining about "media bias" you're apparently only 2 clicks away from a Ben Shapiro video no matter what you're searching for

lol

D. M.1 month ago

This Soph kid is the physical manifestation of the Youtube algorithm after you accidentally click on one Joe Rogan interview

Wait, wait, this is just a kid. Let’s not go overboard with call out culture.

lol she definitely seems like she gives a shit about being called out

So from ~2014 until now her rich parents are just enabling this. Good to know!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/15/tommy-robinson-sued-by-syrian-schoolboy-he-accused-of-assault

christchurch shooter and generation identity leader had more extensive contact than he let on:

Whew whew whew. Sellner was lying thru his teeth about only having sent the Christchurch shooter a thank-you note. Offered Tarrant a mtg, should he ever end up in Vienna. https://t.co/v2bkNaJbO4

— Kate B. (@katebitz) May 14, 2019

might get in the way of his wedding plans to an american youtuber

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/apr/27/kootenai-county-gop-urges-feds-to-let-austrian-nat/

where are you guys on wearing new balance shoes? do people still associate them with the alt right?

I wouldn't assume for the briefest moment someone wearing NB was trying to make a statement

There are a lot of clearer tells anyway imo

i know it's useless and nearly completely unhelpful to even mention but i sometimes get terrified over this shit

some young homeless tweaker dudes once fucked with me downtown late at night, waving a knife around, saying only cops wore NB's. the more you know!

Soph uploaded a 12-minute video in which she seemed to be daring the platform to suspend her, knowing full well that it wouldn’t.

“Susan, I’ve known your address since last summer,” Soph said, directly addressing YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki. “I’ve got a Luger and a mitochondrial disease. I don’t care if I live. Why should I care if you live or your children? I just called an Uber. You’ve got about seven minutes to draft up a will. ... I’m coming for you, and it ain’t gonna be pretty.”

I wonder if Soph is serious about having a mitochondrial disease. (While the rest of the threat seems obv facetious, this seems like a pretty specific thing to make up.) Mito is a brutal thing to deal with for an adult; I can only imagine that knowing you have this as a young teenager could make you ... angry enough to spew hate speech on Youtube.

This is some really, really scary shit.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/youtubes-newest-far-right-foul-mouthed-red-pilling-star-is

― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 21:46 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the comments are the scariest part tbh

Yeah those comments are something. People posting white nationalist ideas seemingly under their public facebook profiles.

But also this kid is pretty scary. A mind completely formed by memes.

maybe the forces of light need to make it so that their tone is cool, pointed and erudite rather than hectoring? or am i turning into angela nagle here

these fuckers need to be taken apart, not moaned at