baking: does it come easily to you?

I did my first real vegan baking experiment yesterday with some brownies! I replaced the eggs with mashed bananas, but I think the extra moisture changed the baking time a lot, and I really had to add quite a lot longer and at a lower temperature because they were on the verge of burning. In the end they didn't rise at all but are super gooey.

the best chocolate chip cookies i ever had used aguafaba (i.e. the juice from a can of chickpeas) as an egg replacer

would like a harbl fermentation update

xxpost justin3 once gave me a great vegan brownie recipe that used black beans, it worked great. i’ll post it here if i can find it

ah ha! found it

https://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/2012/09/06/no-flour-black-bean-brownies/

my husband & are both non-vegans & we wolfed these, they are so good

oh man i'll have to try that

lol @ food bloggers. jeeeez katie skip the chit chat and gimme the damn recipe!!

oh damn, we don't have quick oats. I wanted to try those tonight.

I'm like, maybe I could use muesli?

yeah the chatty food blog style is so rmde
no-one cares!!!

lol that is a thing on the food blogs that I've seen too.

Weirdly enough, the recipe I was using as my base was also brownies with black beans!

oh gah, the overly dear diary food blogger is so annoying. I always scroll scroll scroll until I see ingredients. I have no clue what they are thinking or what mass feedback all of them got to that bs.

there must be a reason for it. more room to show advertising? they all do it. i have rage-quit so many recipes.

xp - flourless and/or vegan brownies are better than regular brownies, since it is almost impossible for them to be cakey

i stopped looking for recipes on blogs years ago because of the indulgent personal storytelling, probably contributed to the atrophying of my food prep repertoire but at least i didn't have to read any unfunny jokes

I've half-convinced myself that all those recipe blogs are generated by a single content-farm in Belarus or something.

i don't mind those chatty food blogs because i just scroll down over the text until i see the method and ingredients

A good friend of mine writes a baking blog - it has diary elements but she's a good writer, and keeps it brief. Her taste in cakes is impeccable:
http://alicebakesacake.blogspot.com

i'm starting to nail it. two weekends in a row of absolutely killer loaves of bread. this time i even totally freestyled it, didn't have the right flour, maybe 2/5 white bread flour and the rest a weird combo of whole wheat, rye plain (soft) white flour that you'd use to make pancakes and malted bread flour. KILLER. i get that goddamn spring all the headz talk about! the two things i changed that i think made the most difference: 1) refreshing my starter a day before making the levain. it's more active, stronger, able to keep going. 2) switching to just the bottom element in my oven after putting the dough in. just those few seconds of air escaping can be enough to make the elements kick on, and when the top one's on it crusts over the top of the loaves before they've had time to properly spring. or at least that's my working theory.

there should be a comma after the word 'rye' fyi

On the flip side: I'm not nailing it.

I tried my hand at this vegan/vegatarian chocolate tofu pie (I went with a TJ frozen crust that's probably got butter in it).

1. I overloaded my 3-cup food processor with the tofu -- which was firm, not silken as the recipe specifies.
2. I tried to make my own chocolate soy milk -- but didn't put enough sweetener in it (the results taste overpoweringly of sunflower seed butter).
3. I poured the filling into raw crust.
4. When I realized that the crust needed a bake, I put the whole thing (filling and all) in a toaster oven, so the filling ended up cracked, though I don't know if the it affected the taste. However, because of the filling, the crust didn't bake all the way through, especially in the middle of the pie.

well, it's hard to learn without mistakes. wondering to myself how sunflower seed butter gets into chocolate soy milk, but. . .
just wanted to say that alicebakesacake blog MatthewK posted up there looks SO nice. haven't yet made anything from it but am eyeing that pear pistachio chocolate cake. even though pears are out of season i don't think i can wait until august/september to make that

even trying to make your own chocolate soy milk seems daunting.

I'm just a couple of weeks away from being reunited with my new kitchen featuring NEW OVEN and I am going to learn to bake, I really am, now that I'll have an obedient baking appliance.

Need to see if my KitchenAid still works. I have not turned it on for about seven years.

it'll still work.

Guys I made crumpets a couple of weeks ago and while it took a little longer than I thought (for some reason I thought you could just baking soda that shit - but no, yeast is involved) - they were BOMBBBBBB

Whoops! The pie recipe calls for almond butter (I keep sunflower seed butter), which overwhelmed the filling.

And I wasn't trying to make *soy milk* from scratch -- just wanted to make it chocolatey, so I dumped some cacao and what sweeteners I had into it.

cacao!! i hadn't looked at that recipe until now. looks nice! but yeah, i would def. follow at least the silken tofu recommendation. i just remembered i made a vegan banana cream pie for the niece last year. it came out really good. that's the only pie i can recall ever making. i used frozen vegan pie shell from a supermarket for that. in case you're vegan, i don't think tj's is https://www.traderjoes.com/dietary-lists/vegan

Matcha loaf!

https://imgur.com/gallery/M2ls46x

OK can I complain about one thing? How did coconut oil (and its saturated fat) become so popular? I keep seeing it pop up in recipes, especially vegetarian/vegan recipes.

How was it? We made matcha sugar cookies two weeks ago and they definitely needed more matcha and less butter.

I noticed coconut oil everywhere when atkins was very popular.

I was decent at baking until I went gluten-free and now I can't be arsed to figure out all the psylium husk and xanthum gum and whatever you're supposed to add so I just stopped. I think about starting again but I would need some kind of different life for that, I think, in which I had a lot more time to spend in a quiet, sun-dappled kitchen.

It's not bad! I followed this recipe, and substituted stevia for the sugar -- so the end result wasn't too sweet (yay). The matcha taste is a little on the subtle side, and I would've preferred the loaf to be moister (I just remembered that I may have used too little vegan butter), but it's a pretty solid starter recipe.

baking loses its shine when you spend half the prep time trying to figure out wtf a flax egg is, and the rest being angry at the world when you find out

i made that matcha loaf tonight. It is really good (plus it only took like ten minutes to make) and I put in 3 times the amount of matcha.

You really like your matcha! How strong is the taste? I was planning on trying again tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS6YJJfBYag

xpost It was still pretty subtle. But I was using a matcha that is supposed to be served iced, I didn't want to use anything nicer. I got it in the bottom of one of the Isetans. I should look into getting some specifically for baking.

While eating it, we discussed adding ginger or lemon zest next time but I think it might overpower the matcha. But maybe will make the loaf just a completely ginger, lemon, tumeric thing instead. The ingredients were so easy and simple to whip together.

I am just realizing now that the matcha loaf may have kept us up last night.

Maybe.

I've read a lot of articles and forum conversations on the internet about baking bread now. there's the fresh loaf, which has a kind of gentle person-to-person bonhomie that used to characterize much more of the internet and now exists pretty exclusively on narrow-interest websites. not to be confused with the perfect loaf, which i'll come back to. i've watched a lot of youtube videos. i mean a lot. how to pre-shape. why these big caves appear just under the crust. how much to care about the proportions of your semolina / bread flour dusting mix. if that's how you're doing it, instead of cornmeal. or brown rice flour. some of the people i feel like i know. there's a guy on youtube who runs his own baking school in provence. he's got a whole series of instructional videos where he faces the camera, alone, beaming his signal into a harsh world, a mournful oryx supplicating to humanity. what has happened in his life? he probably used to be a research librarian. he took a hard left. now he's running summer classes with certification for future professional boulangers. and doing youtube videos. there's one video where a couple of other bakers appear and demonstrate their batard-shaping technique and it's practically mind-altering because it breaks the format (e.g. this guy, alone, just killing the game, the first couple of minutes translated into english, the rest not for some reason).

other videos are practically ASMR. amateur enthusiasts taking it to some realm of pure aesthetic. watch this video and tell me it doesn't have more in common with paint-mixing twitter accounts than laurel's kitchen.

and there's the perfect loaf. this guy. all his recipes have absurd ingredient measures, like 732g water and 39g rye. i would be amazed if he didn't have scrum-master certification. i'm pretty sure he's an acolyte of 'tartine bread', a book by superstar san francisco bread dude chad robertson. there seems to be a tendency with this style of breadmaking to head relentlessly for some vanishing point of high-protein, extra-strong, impossibly fluffy bread, with a lot of emphasis on how much 'bloom' you can get i.e. that thing where the loaf looks like it's exploding up through the crust and how nicely you can control the way it looks. which is fine, but there can be a kind of 'how do i shot windows xp install' vibe to it. and the perfect loaf guy (though he's far from alone in this) lays out these kind of reassuringly prescriptive recipes that tell you exactly what to do, step by step. but there are too many steps. kitchen temperatures, what flour you bought, and other factors make a nonsense of this kind of certainty. to be fair to him though, he's incredibly posi and encouraging in the comments and replies a lot, and tends to admit a lot more flexibility than his articles would suggest.

i've gotten into whole wheat (i.e. wholemeal) sourdough. it tastes amazing. it's the opposite of the aesthetic that's become associated with tartine bread. it doesn't rise as high in the oven. it's denser and has low strength, on account of all the bran in there interfering with the platonic ideal of long, straight unbroken gluten strands. but goddamn it's amazing to eat. so anyway, i'm reading up, chasing youtube rabbit holes, and lo and behold mr perfect loaf has a whole thing about whole wheat! i read it and it's not very enlightening. then i see he has another page about whole wheat sourdough and i happen across a hint of this guy's life. i love this stuff. when an internet-tipper illustrates their tip with an anecdote that reveals more about them than they realise. read the second graf of this article and try not to crack under the existential ennui.

i'm going to post the graf in question because maybe even the perfect loaf shall pass one day.

“Why don’t we ever have good ol’ sandwich bread?”, I heard my wife recently whisper to herself in the kitchen. This wasn’t the first time I’ve listened to such a statement, and scattered comments like these got me thinking back about that sliced bread I had as a kid. Nostalgia turned to motivation as I felt urged to develop a pan loaf with many of the same characteristics but 100% sourdough, and with somewhere around 98% fewer ingredients — you know, just flour, water, salt, and yeast.

TO HERSELF IN THE KITCHEN

The type of bread that I like is not anything like the type the bien cuit/tartine people love. I am very much a 'pas trop cuit' person. Your perfect loaf guy link did not come through. I am wondering who it is.

I have a bread person/friend that sublets my apartment and when I am there I sometimes feed the sourdough and hear all about the thriving population of ambient yeast now residing in a corner of my kitchen. Sigh.

https://www.theperfectloaf.com/whole-wheat-sourdough-sandwich-bread/

hmmm, bread people are a whole other thing. I have a circle of friends around r!ck east0n who is popular in the tristate area and who I am always amazed when I see him written up in big publications. But I kind of dig how previous ocd activities like record collecting have turned into bread or cheese making or wine people. It's the same type of obsessive focus.

indeed it is!!
i have no interest in cooking this way but other people obviously do! i hear there are pizza people as well as bread people.

Pizza people have it worse bc getting more heat than a residential oven is more critical to getting the results they want

bread baking is complicated! the Tartine Bread cookbook has like 35 pages of instruction (including pages of pictures) for making basic country bread. It's hard for me to believe in retrospect that my mother and father were so into the process. I guess you need a family of people to bake for to make it worth it

pizza person seems like next-level bread person