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Now I'm trying to cast the 1990 miniseries using popular stars from 1990: Schwarzenegger as Ben, Robin Williams as Richie...

it looks as if they will be employing some flashbacks as well maybe unless all that was just for the trailer and being used to link the adult characters w/their childhood and the first film.

"When my dad moved here ... he got a job ... at the circus ... as a CLOWN! HAHAHAHHHHAHH!"

I mean, that's not too far from what happens in the book.

the line is actually "he joined the circus" and then we see the photo, the word clown is never in there, and then she says she was his favorite little girl and asks Beverly if she's still her daddy's favorite. when you consider Beverly's background it's actually much creepier.

"That cedar chest in particular is a wonderful piece."

"An antique, that one!" Mrs Kersh said, and laughed. "Very old," Mrs Kersh reminisced over her empty cup, looking slyly at Beverly from her yellowed eyes. Her snaggle teeth showed in that repulsive, almost leering grin. "From home with me it came. The RG carved into it? You noticed?"

"Yes." Her voice came from far away, and a part of her brain yammered If she doesn't know you've seen the change perhaps you're still all right, if she doesn't know, doesn't see -

'My father," she said, pronouncing it fodder, and Beverly saw that her dress had also changed. It had become a scabrous, peeling black. The cameo was a skull, its jaw hung in a diseased gape. "His name was Robert Gray, better known as Bob Gray, better known as Pennywise the Dancing Clown. Although that was not his name, either. But he did love his joke, my fadder."

I p much hate trailers so haven’t seen but I’ll be amazed if this is any good, both for the reason given upthread - that they put all the kid stuff in the first half AGAIN - and because chapter one was a total damp squib and the whole world went wow yes please more of this

The fact that the kid actors are returning doesn’t reassure me either, prob means we’re due a 3-hour mess

oh they have ziggy sobotka playing adult eddie, that's kinda perfect

What? That's awesome!

dlh’s inland empire comparison got me to give in and watch the trailer. Unsurprisingly it’s a good call - pretty great scene up to the comic reveal that mrs kirsh’s dad was Jack Nicholson

idk I’m going to see this so I hope it is good but after the first one I’m def calibrating my expectations more towards “cgi stuff runs at the camera” and the last bit of the trailer suggests I’m right

lol I posted in the stephen kind s/d thread, because I could not find this one and it isn't very search-friendly

I've just seen the first one - sad clown face. I can understand how the big execs might think that cosmic horror, macroverse tortoises, 12 year old kids getting high and the ritual of chöad might not play well in the multiplexes, but it's pretty obvious that if you take that out all you're left with is a bunch of kids beating up a clown at the bottom of a sewer.

And even the bunch of kids beating up the clown in the sewer was handled better in the shonky 90s miniseries! Can’t be said enough that “Henry bowers falls down a thing or whatever and then the kids literally just hit it with sticks” is a lamer half-arsed ending than anything Stephen king ever came up with

Saw the new one, it’s bad

3 hours too. i'm seeing it tonight at a dine-in place and not drinking alcohol wah wahhh

three hours??? my god

Booooo

They screwed this one up, should've shot it and done a Kill Bill / LOTR shot & release of restructuring the story.

absolutely no reason you couldn't smartly condense the whole story to that length

Certainly when all the cgi monsters look exactly the same you don’t need to waste hours ticking off encounters with them

I mean I didn’t like the first one, these films were kinda doomed to mediocrity from the moment they chose to open with “eerie” kids singing bells of st clements, but the decisions being made in this one are just baffling. Just one example, they essentially do away with the presentation of the town itself as evil, but keep the Adrian Mellon prologue just for shits. They clearly had no idea what to do with this one and constantly fall back on spoofery, which is exhausting. And the final stretch is excruciating - worse than hitting the clown with sticks, worse than the ending of Gerald’s game, you honestly have to see it to believe it.

It’s a shame as there are a few scenes I really liked. This “Easter egg” shite gets worse all the time but I actually enjoyed the scene in the secondhand rose shop

I saw this and yeah, three freakin’ hours. What really adds to the bloat is that there are several scenes and plot threads carried over from the book that don’t make sense here at all. They just sort of happen and are forgotten about. It’s a bit irritating.

Just one example, they essentially do away with the presentation of the town itself as evil, but keep the Adrian Mellon prologue just for shits.

Yeah that pissed me off. So tone deaf. The Henry Bowers subplot doesn’t really have any reason to be in this version of the story, either.

There was no way I was going to see this after the first one. "Three hours" seals the deal. I'm curious but not that curious.

It's a new golden age of bloated three-hour Hollywood epics.

The way they handle the Ritual of Chud basically means thirty minutes of wasted subplot in this

Also agree on the final stretch. Very disappointed

also feel like they gave Mike back the 'history' aspect of his character, which makes you wonder why they took it away from him in the first one.

Honestly they fucked the setup “chapter” so badly that when he calls everyone & says “it’s mike hanlon from Derry” & they all go “...who?” you’re like, well yeah exactly

i didn't hate this though, i only started to lose interest midway through. esp when the whole totem-gathering sequence became completely pointless.

naked hot psycho grandma was fun tho

gotta say though, despite it being part of the original novel, the opening scene was pretty triggering, considering what happened in my hometown 3 years ago. tempted to warn my friends about it.

Xp It’s not wasted time if those scenes work tho, but imo none of them quite get there and they all end terribly cause this film whiffs the scares even more than part one

If 1 was “o no it’s that rascal penny wise, hope he doesn’t move really quickly at me and then disappear”, this is more “another dumb-looking cartoon with langolier teeth, how much more of this shit is there to go”

Mrs Kersh scene was really effective until they lost their nerve and turned her from spooky old lady to another one of those stupid things

God I just remembered that they did a comedy needle drop when the leper puked on Eddie in his (pointless, consequence free) encounter with it

I'm so fascinated by how profoundly bad these films are!

The audience I was with seemed to mainly enjoy it, lots of laughs (there are some good jokes in this tbf) but things like Patrick Hocksetter's appearance provoked the kind of incredulous laughter you do not want

The ending (which really is geralds game squared) did not get laughs of the "are they really doing this, are you fuckin kidding me" variety, weirdly

bullying a billion year old evil entity = the way to victory apparently.

given the trash talk of the kids in the first movie, they could have killed him permanently then.

The endings of both these films are so much worse than the end of the novel it's kind of hilarious - the running joke about Bill's books in this is particularly delicious cause sTepHeN kInG iS bAd aT eNdIngS is up there with qUeNtoN tArAnTiNo hAs a fEEt fEtiSh as far as basic bitch cultural commentary goes, & is therefore exactly at this film's level

It has an awesome ending tho

damn I wasn't trying to be spoiled but also not trying too hard to not be spoiled, w/e, prolly not gonna see it for another week at least, but lmfao they BULLY pennywise to death??? 😂

The book? I agree

xp

The end of this is purest kitsch and how they defeat It is not the half of it, what happens after is exquisitely bad

yeah the book

Can't wait to see this now

the old pharmacist randomly ripping farts as he walked away seemed like a weird inclusion

Oh flappy I hope you love it <3

I’ve tried not to be too spoilery as I want people to discover how terrible this is for themselves if they’re so inclined

I didn’t truly start getting angry at the movie until the climax. Before that I was at least intermittently entertained and had plenty of moments to step out to use the restroom.

Wish I could talk more about it without spoiling anything!

it's IT, innit? spoil away imho, just mark it as such

Okay SPOILERS for some of the worst bits of the ending:

There’s a badly directed and boring cgi action sequence that lasts like half an hour, with a giant pennywise who turns into a spider (but still with pennywise head) and the whole thing looks like something from the hobbit movies

The ritual of Chüd in this is some dumb nonsense that doesn’t work and then It throws them all into separate nightmare rooms to retread bits from the first one: Eddie and Richie do their (very wearisome by this point) routine in front of those fucking “not scary/scary” doors again; Bill has the exact same scene of being accused by Georgie in the cellar; Bev is trapped in the bathroom stall with nothing to do; Ben uhh something to do with quicksand I think? Mike doesn’t even get one lol this film hates him

(How Ben and Bev escape their rooms is some amazing cringe but I’ll leave it for someone else to spoil)

Anyway eddie gets given this spike thing by Bev who tells him “this kills monsters if you only believe in it” - turns out she stitched him right up cause it doesn’t work and it kills Eddie. In his dying breath Eddie explains that the way to kill it is to make it transform into something small and vulnerable as it is bound by the physical form it takes (this idea does come from the book, it’s how they are able to hurt werewolf-it with silver) but again Eddie is as full of shit as Bev was and this doesn’t work either. Eventually they come up with the idea of just yelling at It “you dumb bad clown” and the hurtful remarks literally belittle it and they squash its heart

Saving the worst for last: in the epilogue, everyone is living their best life and it’s revealed that they are not losing their memory again as happens in the book because It is definitively dead. They all receive a letter from Stan, who tells them that his suicide was a cunning plan to help them defeat pennywise, as he knew he wouldn’t have the courage to face up to it when it came to the crunch and if he came back he would bring the other losers down. By “taking himself off the board” he ensured their victory. Mike goes to Florida/dies on the way to his home planet

What is that happy crappy?

The making Pennywise small scene reminded me of the scene at the end of 2004s Peter Pan where the Lost Boys kill Hook by making him depressed

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I saw this last night and it was a Good Bad Movie, I will not be taking questions at this time.

direct me now to the many good epilogues in movies

oh also this movie had a brazen steal from Carpenter's "The Thing" that made me laugh and clap.