the alt-right

these fuckers need to be taken apart, not moaned at

as for the kid...well we need other youtubers bringing the anti-establishment light, who are cooler and funnier than her, is the bottom line

we need Young Contrapoints

Is this irony fascism stuff the worst youth subculture in america history?

we need fewer people telling us what "we need"

Watched a couple of her videos and she is clearly performing a script someone else has written, and it basically states as much in the buzzfeed article. So would file this as a shitty new strategy rather than a generational crisis.

For the online right, Soph is hailed as a child prodigy. She debates adults on the left with eloquence and she laughs nonchalantly at systems of power. When I asked Soph why she relies so heavily on irony, her reply was typically curt: “the current paradigm does not deserve to be taken seriously.”

Idk why i posted that. The role of “irony” with these people is weird. It’s really just contrarianism and shock value. It seems like it would burn itself out but it’s one of the most viral kinds of content seemingly

like, ok, sorry, rant time

we need, individually, collectively, to stay alive to the greatest extent possible. a lot of shit is fucked up right now, a lot of things are broken, and we're not going to be able to fix them now, or in 2020. it's going to take time, every day there's a new outrage, something sickening, depressing, something bad enough to make people question their will to live.

i had a lot of trouble when i started meditating and the advice was to "live in the moment", because the moment is, really, uniquely terrible. i'd rather be anywhere but here, politically speaking. but it still, in some weird way, gives me a sense of perspective. the world is a catastrophe, but that doesn't mean i have to catastrophize, or benefit from catastrophizing.

the best i can do is try and be myself, try and be kind, and take care of myself and those i care most about, and let others bear responsibility for whatever they choose to do. however that winds up playing out is outside my control.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
Posted: May 16, 2019 at 12:57:27 PM
Watched a couple of her videos and she is clearly performing a script someone else has written, and it basically states as much in the buzzfeed article. So would file this as a shitty new strategy rather than a generational crisis.

Think ppl would be less scandalized by her and less likely to suggest she’s reading off someone else’s work if she were a young man and not a young woman but guess what young women can be fascists too.

she could be diana mitford or she could be a victim of child abuse (or, you know, both)

youtube opens up a whole new wealth of opportunities for people who want to abuse their children for vicarious fame

I'm sure she can be a fascist, but I can also tell when someone is reading from a script they didn't write.

how?

that seems like a cool talent to have, not one i possess

isn’t the right’s standard of eloquence ben shapiro? like...

Is it their XX chromosomes that give it away

i dunno, intimating that a child fascist youtuber might be being directed by adults is not necessarily sexist to me? i would presume the same if we were talking about a boy also?

the fact that she sounds like she is saying a lot of these words for the first time in her life is sort of a giveaway

the way there's an edit after every flowery, overstuffed line

i get it and maybe, perhaps probably, it's true. but i can assume if there are precocious kids who can craft compelling arguments about global warming and tolerance and what not then the opposite side must have those types as well, and these MAGA ppl sometimes start early and the virulence doesn't necessarily first emerge when they hit driver's license age.

has anybody here ever heard kids reading from the bible at church

I mean, just listen to her. This is a child reading from a script. Who even bought her the prison clothes?

https://youtu.be/iqw_Zo49IPY

Some people even think this girl is scripted too...

https://youtu.be/ulf82uRT3bA

Could be her own script tbf.

lol she’s obviously reading from a script but there’s no indication someone wrote it for her and she speaks w/ clarity, fluency and intent that suggests that she understands it entirely

says right there on the video

Written by Soph
Co-written by Vaporub Boy

the fact that she sounds like she is saying a lot of these words for the first time in her life is sort of a giveaway

― frogbs

this was not my impression but i suppose impressions are subjective

Sometimes ppl know words from reading that they’ve never heard spoken aloud

Especially at that age.

even at my age (40s)

At any age tbh.

Can confirm (30s). Just likelier at such a young age, is all.

It seems like she understands what she is saying and I bet she shares those views and—maybe more significantly—that weird meme sensibility

14 is maybe old enough to form and articulate hot takes such as these, but she looks 10

Yeah but she is 14

just sayin

The 'imprisoned' girl strikes me as genuine, in that she seems like a bright kid who felt totally estranged from her peers in school, probably was teased, bullied and ostracized, with too little support from teachers or counselors. Chances are good her parents encouraged her to respond combatively and righteously, because this was their own method of coping with opposition, thus escalating the whole dynamic until it reached the place seen in her video. btw, she looks 14 to me.

Not sure how all this bitter socialization will play out for her in adulthood, but the odds are, not well. She's all primed to go down with her guns blazing. Figuratively, let's hope.

Not sure how all this bitter socialization will play out for her in adulthood, but the odds are, not well. She's all primed to go down with her guns blazing. Figuratively, let's hope.

― A is for (Aimless)

but one never really knows, does one? all this talk of "owning" and "destroying" by people who don't seem to have a firm grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality at the best of times...

The bile, black and white thinking, and the way that e.g. the "women are cool" video weirdly drifts between grand evolutionary psych pronouncements and bitter references to high school relationships and social dynamics do seem pretty credibly adolescent to me. Will admit that I would probably be less scandalized (and also less sympathetic) if she were a boy bc boys are obv monsters.

that article was pretty terrible. I'm not sure what a lone example like this is really supposed to tell us

alex jones seems pretty credibly adolescent to me!

I'm not sure what a lone example like this is really supposed to tell us

She didn't pick up this shtick in a vacuum and I guarantee you she'll inspire more heinous content (and worse) in the near future if she keeps or expands her audience base over time.

There's been lots of good reporting on YouTube's complete fucked-upness (like the Bloomberg piece that's linked in the article), but this one doesn't tell us anything new. I probably wouldn't care if it weren't being presented as news, but since it is, this is borderline malpractice imo:

"Indeed, one of Soph’s messages seems to be that in a world where the adults who have grown rich through technology took the implications of that technology seriously, she wouldn’t exist. She’s a problem, she seems to be saying, of YouTube’s own making."

I get that the existence of this person is disturbing, but that doesn't make this a good article nor does it excuse sending what I assume is a shitload of traffic her way.

I mean I def agree that the direct linking and "no, seriously, watch it" demand was not helpful

The framing was the way a liberal media org can use compelling content that is politically off brand without owning it themselves

She debates adults on the left with eloquence and she laughs nonchalantly at systems of power. When I asked Soph why she relies so heavily on irony, her reply was typically curt: “the current paradigm does not deserve to be taken seriously.”

Curt. Also, facile and without content. This is just the usual adolescent scorn and hubris, but attached to a larger vocabulary and a more accomplished mimicry of maturity. All those youtube views are going to reinforce her like crazy and tend to freeze her into this persona far into adulthood. I would not want to be her, no matter how many followers she gathers or how much money she harvests off this notoriety.

Hate to see someone frozen in adulthood with merely a high vocabulary and facile opinions

Kind of like seeing the small town high school quarterback who led his team to the state 4A championship, never leaves town, and rests on his laurels.

she’s pretty much lil tay with extra fascism

Where did this Imam Tawhidi grifter pop up from?

"the left is more violent than even Isis" lol