Wishin' and Votin' - the BURT BACHARACH SONGBOOK Poll Results

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not to mention the decades channel xp

budo jeru, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:40 (five years ago) link

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17. Any Day Now — 403 Points, 8 Votes
Lyric: Bob Hilliard
Elvis Presley, 1969 b-side of "In the Ghetto," 249 points — https://youtu.be/bgM0yxh9Dlc
Chuck Jackson, 1962 Wand Records single, 154 points — https://youtu.be/RPgE991VDwM
really good Elvis alternate take minus the sweetening — https://youtu.be/xg0D_E1WLn8

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:45 (five years ago) link

omg yes to that elvis alt take, so good

budo jeru, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link

First underdog in the top 20? Not sure I know it.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link

btw can you imagine trying to do the Vandross "House Is Not a Home" at karaoke?

I always find that kinda over-the-top streeeeetched-out R&B inescapably funny, not sexy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link

Thought awhile about which version to go with, ended up going with Elvis in my #7 spot. Hadn’t even heard the alternative take, thanks for that.
(xp)

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link

the epistemology of the "House" lyrics is already borderline farcical

a chair is not a house

a room is not a house

what else ya got

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link

Don’t ask me, that’s why I voted for as much Bob Hilliard as I could, although I overlooked one.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link

I think I overlooked all of em.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:08 (five years ago) link

this goddamn ingrown toenail is not a house
my car keys -- nope, my car keys aren't a house either

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:08 (five years ago) link

I like this Burt "Alfie"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKt4IWKy1mU

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

"Any Day Now" was a big Country hit for Ronnie Milsap in the 80s as well.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:13 (five years ago) link

First underdog in the top 20? Not sure I know it.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius),

just want to say this is very surprising -- in my memory it was big...I know I'd heard it many times before I got the Rhino box in 1998 but now I can't say where.

xp I remember that Milsap version! I should have thought of it when I was putting together the big spotify playlist.

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link

I'd cut Hal David a break on those "Royale" end-credits lyrics... clearly meant to be a throwaway, and I'm sure most of the audience had long fled.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:25 (five years ago) link

The Milsap one was on my ballot before I cut the song

L'assie (Euler), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:25 (five years ago) link

I'd cut Hal David a break on those "Royale" end-credits lyrics... clearly meant to be a throwaway, and I'm sure most of the audience had long fled.

I wonder how they compare with the lyrics Gene Roddenberry added to the Star Trek TOS theme song to get a writing credit.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link

or The Odd Couple lyrics

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:30 (five years ago) link

OK, last one for today -- tomorrow the big finish, full orchestra, backup singers, everything.

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link

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16. Twenty-Four Hours from Tulsa — 409 Points, 10 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
Gene Pitney, 1963 Musicor single, 250 points — https://youtu.be/jIjUaxP7PPE
Dusty Springfield, from A Girl Called Dusty (1964), 89 points — https://youtu.be/ne9UuzivW1A
Burt Bacharach, from Plays His Hits (1966), 70 points — https://youtu.be/5qaR6-iZe-Q

The graphic has Dusty's points wrong, it's 89 for her.

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link

My number 4, a bit of an outlier for Bacharach i think but it's a classic for a reason. The lyric absolutely works.

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:58 (five years ago) link

I gave this one a lot of points, but settled on Burt's wordless version as I enjoyed pretending it was the score to a western or something.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link

The lyrics are good though. It's somewhat tangled up with "By The Time I Get To Phoenix" in my mind. No doubt due partly to the specific place names, but also the way travel, separation and guilt are handled in each. I seem to like the idea of the USA as a land of endless highways with people being sad, or at least contemplative, in distant hotel rooms, as "Check Out Time" involves something quite similar! :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 16 May 2019 23:16 (five years ago) link

promise us anything

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 02:52 (five years ago) link

"Twenty-Four Hours from Tulsa" has this weird, mesmerizing beat that I also associate with "Down in the Boondocks," but I can't think of any other songs that have it. Dusty edged out Gene for me to come in at #10.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 10:34 (five years ago) link

Good morning, top 15 today! At least until tomorrow, I'll never run a poll again!

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 11:36 (five years ago) link

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15. (They Long To Be) Close To You — 426 Points, 12 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
The Carpenters, 1970 single, 410 points — https://youtu.be/iFx-5PGLgb4
Gwen Guthrie, 1986 single, 16 points — https://youtu.be/VRMYxp86mOU

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 11:36 (five years ago) link

Extended version of the Gwen Guthrie version, I guess this was on the 12" single — https://youtu.be/l0VWo8g5Y_o

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 11:40 (five years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/8etQvsO.jpg

14. Wishin' and Hopin' — 441 Points, 11 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
Dusty Springfield, 1964 single, 441 points — https://youtu.be/gAdTsAKvVTU
Dusty and Martha Reeves duetting on "Ready Steady Go - The Sound of Motown", 1965 — https://youtu.be/CXP7tt7TQUk

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 11:53 (five years ago) link

My #2

Jeff W, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:00 (five years ago) link

Are there any gender swap versions of this? Trying to decide if that would work or not.

Jeff W, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:04 (five years ago) link

Dusty was a great girl with a really soulful voice, but she was very hard to record. We were both perfectionists but Dusty was much harder on herself than she needed to be and I think that if we had ever tried to do an album together, we would have destroyed one another.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:05 (five years ago) link

xp - The Merseybeats do a version. They're gonna wear their hair just for her.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:08 (five years ago) link

Also The Bad Boys, a weirdly slow version.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:13 (five years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/2o9xCag.jpg

13. Don't Make Me Over — 495 Points, 10 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
Dionne Warwick, b-side of "I Smiled Yesterday," 1962, 467 points — https://youtu.be/LEgxuE7WD6U
Sybil, 1989 single, 28 points — https://youtu.be/fvb6ovTNQPk

Dionne live tv version, 1967 — https://youtu.be/nFvLcCDvdEA

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:28 (five years ago) link

Fun fact: I have no recollection of hearing "Close To You" before Kim Gordon chose it in a Desert Island Discs type segment on radio here in the early 90s. I don't remember hearing Bacharach at all earlier in childhood, with exactly two exceptions: "Raindrops..." and one other that's presumably coming up soon. I'm not sure how I managed this lack of exposure.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:42 (five years ago) link

Burt on "Don't Make Me Over" --

We cut the song at Bell Sound, and when Hal and I brought it to Florence Greenberg, she cried. Not because of how much she liked the record. Florence cried because of how much she [i]didn't like it. Both of us were really taken aback by her reaction but there was nothing we could do or say to make her change her mind. She wound up putting out "Don't Make Me Over" as the B-side of "I Smiled Yesterday," a song we had cut at the same session.[/i]

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:53 (five years ago) link

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12. My Little Red Book — 523 Points, 10 Votes, 1 first-place vote
Lyric: Hal David
Love, 1966 single, 434 points — https://youtu.be/f-SuGfLhqo4
Manfred Mann, 1965 single, 89 points — https://youtu.be/se7Ywa668aw

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:02 (five years ago) link

Don't Make Me Over was my number 2, would be number 1 some days

The way Dusty sings "you will be his" on Wishin' is absolute joy

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link

if Don't Make Me Over has any flaw it's that the first two lines are the peak, really

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:04 (five years ago) link

Hadn't thought of that, but it really does announce itself from the start.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:11 (five years ago) link

It's the soul of the song, the rest is - admittedly beautiful - elaboration

Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:13 (five years ago) link

What was the first recorded version of “My Little Red Book”?

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 13:15 (five years ago) link

The Manfred Mann version.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:18 (five years ago) link

I gave my points to Manfred Mann's. It's BB's preference too, apparently. Love simplified some chords too much for his liking, or something!?

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:23 (five years ago) link

Paul Jones, the vocalist on the track:

Manfred Mann could read music and he was a jazz piano player and a jazz fan and wrote a fortnightly column in Jazz News, but he couldn't play Burt's stuff. The story about Burt having to move Manfred off the piano bench is absolutely true. In fact, it was slightly more subtle than that. Burt said to Manfred, "Look, I tell you what. You play the left hand and I'll do the right hand." Then they switched and Manfred did the right hand and Burt did the left hand and eventually Burt was sitting at the piano alone. Manfred didn't hold it against Burt for a moment, and has actually said that he admired the tactful way he had been edged out.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link

I voted for the Manfred Mann version too. It was Love 8, Mann 2.

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link

"Twenty-Four Hours from Tulsa" has this weird, mesmerizing beat that I also associate with "Down in the Boondocks,"

really sharp observation

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/GMfOvlH.jpg

11. Do You Know the Way to San Jose — 576 Points, 12 Votes
Lyric: Hal David
Dionne Warwick, 1968 single, 538 points — https://youtu.be/CnzTgUc5ycc
Frankie Goes to Hollywood, from Welcome to the Pleasuredome (1984), 38 points — https://youtu.be/wgy3p-L8RRg

WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:33 (five years ago) link

upthread there was a suggestion of a side poll for songwriters that write like burt. i think arthur lee and bacharach definitely have an affinity. i think "a house is not a motel" is almost certainly a BB reference, i think it's significant that the first love single was a burt tune, and i think it helps to explain the really quite sophisticated and sometimes baffling chord changes on "forever changes" if you imagine arthur lee sitting around the house and plunking out the melody lines to various BB songs on the piano

xp

budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link


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