Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

I really don't think any candidate will trust any landslide prediction after 2016. As well they shouldn't. And honestly that outcome seems highly improbable anyway.

yeah, there's a good 5% who probably don't like Trump much but will vote for him anyway

wait, you mean you don't think the democratic nominee is going to campaign much in those states?

not campaigning in those states after what happened to Hillary in '16 would be like if Bill Clinton put on a dorky helmet and rode around in a tank in '92

Hillary campaigned a lot in Pennsylvania, she lost it anyway. Her not campaigning in more states was stupid, but it 100% didn't cost her the election.

yes it did, you birdbrain

if not quite as much as being Hillary Clinton

100 percent -- really, Morbs?

would watch John Malkovich in Being Hilary Clinton

There's not enough states Clinton didn't campaign in to change the outcome. It's Michigan and Wisconsin, winning those two states wouldn't have won the election.

I understand the thought of a tourniquet is appealing. But say Biden squeaks through. You get four years of gridlock if you're lucky, some executive orders, "summits." Then a full-fledged Tea Party of the left and Tom Cotton in '24.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) June 13, 2019

Nixon's political clairvoyance kind of runs off the rails at the end there.

Dershowitz: I could "enthusiastically" vote for Biden over Trump https://t.co/w5FFzpIwwY pic.twitter.com/C7P9EFmqcl

— The Hill (@thehill) June 13, 2019

When you’ve lost dershowitz, well, just stay quiet and keep moving further away from him. You’re almost in the clear.

Why is that man given any attention by the media?

Biden 2020: We're All Going to Lose 4 Years of Our Lives Anyway

"I really like those old Southern tunes, snappy stuff like 'I wish I was in Dixie, hooray hooray!' Jimmy Eastland and I would sing that all night long, and that's what's missing in today's politics." pic.twitter.com/Q0rTtohheW

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 19, 2019

rofl

WOW. Asked by CNN outside a fundraiser in Chevy Chase, MD, if he should apologize for his comments, Biden said “apologize for what?”, adding “Cory should apologize”, referring to criticism today from Cory Booker. via @carolinerkenny

— Rebecca Buck (@RebeccaBuck) June 20, 2019

god damn joe

The only person I can think of in recent history who seemed to want to be president less than Biden is Trump. So I guess that means Uncle Joe’s gonna be our nominee

I think Jeb! holds that title.

Lol Biden is kinda is kinda killing this

he sucks ass at running for president

This might help biden. Being seen as “unfairly attacked” by the “politically correct” “elites” is something that will make some voters identify with him. Not just white voters either—they’ve done studies which shows that the majority of black americans disagree with “political correctness,” however they define it (i understand it is a fraught term).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/

I’m with Booker here of course, what biden said was fucked up, but i don’t think this kind of thing will hurt him at the ballot box and may help. The critique of his “handsiness” was the same. Worth calling out because it might help move the culture, but this will not sink him.

In general, the “gaffes” make him more relatable to people who think he is beinf unfairly maligned by scolds. In 2008 they might have made him look dumb or something but today people think, you know, obama trusted him, ajd obama remains very popular among democratic voters

he is not going to stop making gaffes, he opens his mouth and gaffes gallop out of it

he also told a black senator that he should be the one to apologize idk idk

he may be appealing to some nebulous unknown american voter who isn't racist in their heart but idk if this is the kind of behavior that survives a democratic primary

anyway, i could be wrong!

except i am very very right that joe biden sucks ass at running for president

Or for sure

Booker should have pointed out that biden actually *worked with* the segregationist senator in the 70s to roll back school integration. I think that would stick better

They weren’t just civil with each other while disagreeing profoundly. He was willing to use civil rights as a bargaining chip. I think that’s the kind of thing that could cut into his support—more than like, the idea that he said something offensive without meaning to

I don't know, there are quotes from Eastland that are absolutely horrifying, he sounds like a genocidal madman. There's stuff for a lot of attacks there.

They should focus on joe collaborating with him on the bussinf issue—something that had tangible effects—rather than him saying he was personally civil to him. This is if you want to cut into Biden’s base of support, who are people who want to make partisan rancour go away.

People have short memories and they don’t remembwr how bitter the republican opposition to obama was. They think that was an era of normalcy and they just want to. Go back there—pretend trump was an “abberation” to use a word Biden used to describe Trump. That’s the worldview of Biden voters and I think progressives need to be careful in the way they go after it—if it looks like an inquisition they will just like biden more

A lot of these same voters might be put off by biden’s actual record though.

imo as a political consultant/genius

They should focus on joe collaborating with him on the bussinf issue

who is they

His opponents in the democratic primary

There is one named cory booker who released a statement on this and another one i think is called elizabeth warren

i think maybe some punches are being pulled bc Biden is presently the frontrunner and if he faces Trump no one wants to have done the dirty work already. i don't know how true that is, i could be wrong, i just think that everyone and their campaigns are very aware of 2016 and trying to put up their best front and emerge as the choice without dealing too many devastating blows to the others that could linger.

that said i think there's also the element that Biden is doing it to himself and that's what really hurts him more than anyone else calling it out.

If trump tried to make biden out to be more racist than him, that would be insane

omg Elizabeth Warren is shadowbanned, System not only hid her statement itt but all of the posts discussing it too

better get her on infowars to defeat the deep stet’s agenda

i think maybe some punches are being pulled bc Biden is presently the frontrunner and if he faces Trump no one wants to have done the dirty work already. i don't know how true that is, i could be wrong, i just think that everyone and their campaigns are very aware of 2016 and trying to put up their best front and emerge as the choice without dealing too many devastating blows to the others that could linger.

^^^ OTM

I think there is enough party solidarity that the other candidates are not going to come out of the gate with "you are acting like you had cordial greetings in passing with this virulent racist but you actually signed onto his causes and sought out his help/endorsement on racist legislation"; this doesn't mean someone won't drop it if/when Biden continues acting the ass

also omar, I just got Radiohead out of my head and you put them right back in there *shakes fist to the rhythm*

Good point DJP

sorry DJP that was absolutely intentional on my part

i think maybe some punches are being pulled bc Biden is presently the frontrunner and if he faces Trump no one wants to have done the dirty work already.

but what's the point in avoiding "doing the dirty work already" on biden? if biden ends up the nominee, it's not like trump and his campaign can use biden's record on opposing busing and crossing the aisle to actively support segregationists against him. trump probably still agrees with biden on those things! in other words, i can't imagine trump coming out with an attack on biden that focuses on biden's opposition on busing in the 70s.

the blowback on the busing stuff is entirely within the left, and it's inevitable. these aren't secrets that are being unearthed through extensive oppo research, it's just based on his public record. might as well go ahead and talk about it (and hopefully pick someone else that doesn't suck ass)