Reese and Nicole and Laura and Audrey and Elvis: Thread for BIG LITTLE LIES on HBO

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I enjoyed the first one a lot - cast were amazing - but I sort of file it with bloodline, stranger things, that recent one that was a bit like this and had a title almost as bad as big little lies: decent shows that really, intensely do not need a sequel. I sort of feel like if tv really is where it’s meant to be at we can be as sceptical of these things having second series as we would be of like phantom thread 2 or 2nd reformed

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 19:46 (one year ago) link

(sort of)

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 19:46 (one year ago) link

hard agree

killing eve kinda in this category for me too, can't believe how little i care about watching it after having loved S1

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 15 June 2019 20:01 (one year ago) link

2nd reformed lol

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 15 June 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link

Sequel title jokes are the lamest played-out shit and anyone who makes or enjoys them should be ashamed except when I do it: boogaloo’s gold

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 20:39 (one year ago) link

I don't mind the continuation of these types of shows if there's some intention informing the decision, either a long game arc planned out in advance or some specific idea of why there should be another season beyond 'because that's what's expected'. I think shows like this (ie those which are more focused on character/relationship development than on weaving some intricate, high-concept plot) can more easily get away with perpetuation sans some lofty notion of where things are heading. In this case, I'd personally be more concerned about their reach ultimately exceeding their grasp (see: the evolution of Big Love from small-scale character piece to showcase for bugfuck psycho cult shenanigans).

Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 June 2019 21:19 (one year ago) link

The show I was trying to think of was dead to me, which isn’t as bad a title as big little lies obv but still seems pretty determined to communicate “you can skip this”

They all work so well as self-contained stories and the follow-ups come so soon after that it doesn’t feel as if any thought has gone into whether they should continue it, never mind how they can. Getting back on topic the only interesting avenue for further exploration in BLL I can think of is Adam Scott being kind of a creep, felt like that might be going somewhere, but even there I think the suggestion was enough

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 15 June 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

I'm pretending the second season of Killing Eve doesn't exist, but I'm enjoying BLL season 2 so far. Streep vs. Witherspoon is fucking hilarious.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 23:26 (one year ago) link

hard agree

killing eve kinda in this category for me too, can't believe how little i care about watching it after having loved S1

Agreed. Episode 1 of second season of killing eve left me cold.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:35 (one year ago) link

Re BLL on the other hand, bring it on. Unperson otm

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link

I was dubious, mainly because the first season was based on a novel, and I wasn't sure how they'd extend this beyond the novel; of course HBO did exactly that with the Leftovers and it arguably improved upon itself season over season (at least in my opinion). But so far I think there's enough there to keep exploring. Not sure it would need to go beyond this one, but the aftermath of those events is worth looking at. Also Adam Scott's character shaping up to be one of the only non creeps on the show.

akm, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:44 (one year ago) link

I was so goddamned mad at their little daughter!

akm, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:45 (one year ago) link

Wow. Lotta explosions this week, and it's only episode 2.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:54 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I have no problem with the way they're continuing the story, particularly since Kelley & co. clearly have no intention to softpedal the potential ramifications of what came before.

Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 June 2019 23:48 (one year ago) link

I have really liked it so far

Dan S, Monday, 17 June 2019 23:59 (one year ago) link

Ugh this season is kind of Broadchurching and the dialogue isn’t just too on the nose, it’s *only* on the nose, even the nice therapist is behaving weirdly

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:38 (one year ago) link

Careful, now. 'Broadchuching' is quite a strong pejorative, to be used in only the most egregious instances of contempt for an audience.

I think they're doing a fine job of continuing the narrative. And this might be the role Streep was born to play (inasmuch as her performances rarely elicit much interest for me while this show has me all OMG SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU LADY every time she's onscreen and talking).

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:55 (one year ago) link

It’s Broadchurching in the sense that it’s boringly re-litigating the first season’s narrative, when I’d rather watch the same set of characters in some Wacky New Adventure. And the dialogue... everyone’s lost their mystery and talks too much.

Streep is great but her WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU-ness is bending the other characters out of wack. Hard to believe Kidman or Woodley would be so sanguine about herder so long.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:15 (one year ago) link

ok, 'm supposed to believe that a schoolteacher is teaching Scott's Marmion to seven-year-olds.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:06 (one year ago) link

Also, the writers in this have never attended a therapy session because that's not how therapists do their job. They mostly don't say anything.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:10 (one year ago) link

I’ve had very chatty therapists. But the bluntness is very offTM.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:36 (one year ago) link

Streep's character is so fucking awful I hope this ends with them throwing her down the stairs

the scene with Dern and the principal this past week was *maybe* the best scene of either series.

akm, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:09 (one year ago) link

Dern in the hospital was great, too. I appreciate that one of the greatest actresses alive is willing to play second fiddle on this show, but I'm definitely glad she's getting more to do this season.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:15 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

ah, now this season makes sense

'Big Little Lies’ Season 2 Turmoil: Inside Andrea Arnold’s Loss of Creative Control

HBO and David E. Kelley took the show away from Arnold, as executive producer Jean-Mac Vallée tried to return it to his S1 style.

Number None, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:37 (one year ago) link

loved the first season, but i quit after the 4th episode this time

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:46 (one year ago) link

dont' really feel like this season is as big a mess as some people think.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:52 (one year ago) link

No, although the behind-the-scenes bullshit is bullshit, for sure.

I'll double down and say this is probably Streep's best role ever. I can't recall the last time I felt such visceral dislike for a character.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:55 (one year ago) link

I'm enjoying this season and Laura Dern is absolutely killing it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:57 (one year ago) link

Of course. Every scene where her character unloads on her husband has been magical.

Would like to see all of the female executive producers on this show give Kelley & Vallee a metaphorical push down the stairs if there's gonna be a season 3.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:00 (one year ago) link

She gets all the best scenes. Scene in the car this week was amazing! It was obvious hubby was fucking the hot young french nanny the second she appeared.

IMO the season has gotten better as it progressed; possibly Arnold was actually problematic or just not a good fit.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:02 (one year ago) link

This season is also the first time I've realized that Zoe Kravitz has some actual chops (I think I'd only ever seen her in genre stuff before this show). Everybody's tearing it up (except for Shailene Woodley, who's been okay but generally continues to elicit a big ol' 'IDGI' from me).

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:06 (one year ago) link

I like her a lot but mainly from her work in the Spectacular Now and the Descendants and not this. She had a decent scene with Streep this week.

Every week I hope they toss Streep out a window or something but doesn't look like that's going to happen.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link

I can see Bonnie smothering her mother just to get caught and take the punishment.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:14 (one year ago) link


Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:16 (one year ago) link

I'm liking Woodley this season. The scene where Jane confronts Mary Louise over coffee and the scene between Jane and Ziggy in his bedroom ("he salted you") both really got to me.

The acting from all 5 of them has been great

I love this show, and am enjoying this season as much as the first. I will be sad when it ends

Dan S, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:20 (one year ago) link

Woodley is better this season than last, I'll grant you that.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link

i catch eps of this on occasion when my gf is watching, don't really love it tbh.

seeing in the credits a director credit for the excellent andrea arnold and created/produced by that hack david e kelley seemed v incongruous to me. not surprised there was some friction

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:35 (one year ago) link

streep is the most awful character ever in this tho, brava to meryl

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:37 (one year ago) link

I was enjoying this for a while but it's ending up feeling kind of unnecessary. They're dropping threads, too - I felt like they were setting up Ed to start something with Bonnie, and then it just...faded away. But Streep deserves her own Emmy category - Most Punchable.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:42 (one year ago) link

I don't think they were intending on doing anything with Ed and Bonnie other than giving him a way to be passive aggressive towards Madeline and wind up Nathan at the same time.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:42 (one year ago) link

Also for real Ed is like the Usain Bolt of passive aggression.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:43 (one year ago) link

I am still watching s2 but I am pretty disappointed.

The behind the scenes story doesnt surprise me, the whole thing feels so off.

The writing is my main gripe though bc it feels like such a first draft story. Or very rushed. All these random outbursts in place of earned drama, everyone’s yelling & slapping & crying it resembles fkn Dynasty more than the show itself. The depth to the characters is gone & they’re just doggy paddling in a circle around the death of peter & it’s dumb as shit.

Big Little I Know What You Did Last Summer


Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:06 (one year ago) link

Yeah. Even the remixed theme tune is a slow bummer

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:13 (one year ago) link

I love that song

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:14 (one year ago) link

The proper version is great - local Muswell Hill boy makes good! the S2 version loses the drums and only primes me for an hour of drear

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:19 (one year ago) link

agree the proper version is better.

maybe the writing wasn't as strong but I thought the drama this season has made sense. I have enjoyed how much more somber and emotionally dark this has been than the first season

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:21 (one year ago) link

it could be so much better tho

i mean, Laura Dern is amazing & i love seeing her character go nuclear & lose her shit, but in ~every~ scene? i dunno

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:36 (one year ago) link

lol I confess I have really enjoyed all of her scenes. to me she is the comic relief in the midst of all of the suppressed guilt and anger

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:47 (one year ago) link

Well, that wraps everything up, I guess.

nickn, Monday, 22 July 2019 04:57 (one year ago) link

that was .... a giant wet fart of an ending. As much as I enjoyed watching laura dern smash shit up and meryl streep lose: the courtroom shit was absurd, no custody hearing goes like that; I love poorna jagannathan but she's obviously the worse lawyer on earth; everybody hates nathan; the stuff with zoe kravitz' mom never had any dramatic tension; what happened with reese witherspoon's daughter deciding not to go to college (also why is that actress in every single thing I watch all of a sudden?); and at the end what, did zoe decide to confess? did they all? why did they all? WTF?

*IF* this comes back they'd better figure out how they want to present the story and stick to it.

akm, Monday, 22 July 2019 12:57 (one year ago) link

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