Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

I think Jeb! holds that title.

Lol Biden is kinda is kinda killing this

he sucks ass at running for president

This might help biden. Being seen as “unfairly attacked” by the “politically correct” “elites” is something that will make some voters identify with him. Not just white voters either—they’ve done studies which shows that the majority of black americans disagree with “political correctness,” however they define it (i understand it is a fraught term).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/

I’m with Booker here of course, what biden said was fucked up, but i don’t think this kind of thing will hurt him at the ballot box and may help. The critique of his “handsiness” was the same. Worth calling out because it might help move the culture, but this will not sink him.

In general, the “gaffes” make him more relatable to people who think he is beinf unfairly maligned by scolds. In 2008 they might have made him look dumb or something but today people think, you know, obama trusted him, ajd obama remains very popular among democratic voters

he is not going to stop making gaffes, he opens his mouth and gaffes gallop out of it

he also told a black senator that he should be the one to apologize idk idk

he may be appealing to some nebulous unknown american voter who isn't racist in their heart but idk if this is the kind of behavior that survives a democratic primary

anyway, i could be wrong!

except i am very very right that joe biden sucks ass at running for president

Or for sure

Booker should have pointed out that biden actually *worked with* the segregationist senator in the 70s to roll back school integration. I think that would stick better

They weren’t just civil with each other while disagreeing profoundly. He was willing to use civil rights as a bargaining chip. I think that’s the kind of thing that could cut into his support—more than like, the idea that he said something offensive without meaning to

I don't know, there are quotes from Eastland that are absolutely horrifying, he sounds like a genocidal madman. There's stuff for a lot of attacks there.

They should focus on joe collaborating with him on the bussinf issue—something that had tangible effects—rather than him saying he was personally civil to him. This is if you want to cut into Biden’s base of support, who are people who want to make partisan rancour go away.

People have short memories and they don’t remembwr how bitter the republican opposition to obama was. They think that was an era of normalcy and they just want to. Go back there—pretend trump was an “abberation” to use a word Biden used to describe Trump. That’s the worldview of Biden voters and I think progressives need to be careful in the way they go after it—if it looks like an inquisition they will just like biden more

A lot of these same voters might be put off by biden’s actual record though.

imo as a political consultant/genius

They should focus on joe collaborating with him on the bussinf issue

who is they

His opponents in the democratic primary

There is one named cory booker who released a statement on this and another one i think is called elizabeth warren

i think maybe some punches are being pulled bc Biden is presently the frontrunner and if he faces Trump no one wants to have done the dirty work already. i don't know how true that is, i could be wrong, i just think that everyone and their campaigns are very aware of 2016 and trying to put up their best front and emerge as the choice without dealing too many devastating blows to the others that could linger.

that said i think there's also the element that Biden is doing it to himself and that's what really hurts him more than anyone else calling it out.

If trump tried to make biden out to be more racist than him, that would be insane

omg Elizabeth Warren is shadowbanned, System not only hid her statement itt but all of the posts discussing it too

better get her on infowars to defeat the deep stet’s agenda

i think maybe some punches are being pulled bc Biden is presently the frontrunner and if he faces Trump no one wants to have done the dirty work already. i don't know how true that is, i could be wrong, i just think that everyone and their campaigns are very aware of 2016 and trying to put up their best front and emerge as the choice without dealing too many devastating blows to the others that could linger.

^^^ OTM

I think there is enough party solidarity that the other candidates are not going to come out of the gate with "you are acting like you had cordial greetings in passing with this virulent racist but you actually signed onto his causes and sought out his help/endorsement on racist legislation"; this doesn't mean someone won't drop it if/when Biden continues acting the ass

also omar, I just got Radiohead out of my head and you put them right back in there *shakes fist to the rhythm*

Good point DJP

sorry DJP that was absolutely intentional on my part

i think maybe some punches are being pulled bc Biden is presently the frontrunner and if he faces Trump no one wants to have done the dirty work already.

but what's the point in avoiding "doing the dirty work already" on biden? if biden ends up the nominee, it's not like trump and his campaign can use biden's record on opposing busing and crossing the aisle to actively support segregationists against him. trump probably still agrees with biden on those things! in other words, i can't imagine trump coming out with an attack on biden that focuses on biden's opposition on busing in the 70s.

the blowback on the busing stuff is entirely within the left, and it's inevitable. these aren't secrets that are being unearthed through extensive oppo research, it's just based on his public record. might as well go ahead and talk about it (and hopefully pick someone else that doesn't suck ass)

i mean i don't totally agree with the reasoning (assuming it may be the case) but i think the Dems just want to see what candidate naturally rises to the top (without much of a mess being made along the way) and then they'll all throw their weight behind that candidate. they're shook by that Bernie v Hillary thing a bit.

though i think like a lot of things about 2016, it was kind of an outlier that had a lot to do with the specific personalities involved.

Trump would publicize the bussing issue if biden was his opponen in order to suppress votes for him—especially black voters

I was gonna say, anything that can be done to keep people who would vote Democrat from the voting booth will be done, including running attack ads on Democratic candidates who hold conservative positions. This isn't about principle, it's about controlling the electorate.

since Trump is basically already completely exposed as a piece of shit, the only ones who can be exposed are those who oppose him. And anything that is exposed no matter how minor becomes the fresh trending story and the one that causes damage, because all of Trump's incredible and markedly worse shittiness has been worked through a million times for several years now and peoples' eyes will glaze over reading about it again.

that's the concern for the Dems, like Hillary's 11th hour "scandal" of "oh maybe we should check her emails again...oh wait never mind she's good" maybe cost her the election.

No matter who it is, Trump will concoct a horrifying disinformation campaign, perhaps even opening an investigation into his opponent to poison the well.

Honestly, the dem candidates are all pretty brave to put themselves out there like this.

if biden ends up the nominee, it's not like trump and his campaign can use biden's record on opposing busing and crossing the aisle to actively support segregationists against him. trump probably still agrees with biden on those things! in other words, i can't imagine trump coming out with an attack on biden that focuses on biden's opposition on busing in the 70s.

Donald Trump will say literally anything, then say the exact opposite thing 24 hours later, if either or both will earn him a "win" in the moment.

Also, it's worth bearing in mind that every Democratic candidate has the advantage of running against Donald Trump in the general. The man has a 40% approval rating, give or take, and it will never rise to 50%. I don't give a fuck what Chuck Todd says, there are no "undecided" voters to be won over. Trump's been in office 2 1/2 (million) years already, and those who don't worship him fucking hate him. It's not about winning over potential Trump voters; it's about encouraging Democratic turnout, period. Trump doesn't have enough voters to win, unless nobody shows up for the D candidate.

Trump's campaign would absolutely attack Biden on this, like the stuff about Hillary's "racist mentor" (Byrd, I think) - the point is not to address the issue, it's to take it off the table so that people who don't like to think of themselves as racists can continue to not think of themselves as racists as they vote for an out-and-out racist.

the gop has expended a massive amount of effort to hand wave away the party's long history of racism and anti-semitism to make their supporters think they're all good on these issues. the audacity is staggering.

ok, willing to admit i'm totally wrong about trump not bringing it up

however, still not sure why it's not best to bring it up now, as part of the democratic primary process, so voters have enough time to think about it and hopefully not vote for him in the primary

We're seven months away from the first primary?

but in that case...what's the use of talking about anything related to the primary or the election?

wait a second, my mind might be expanding here

It's not about winning over potential Trump voters; it's about encouraging Democratic turnout, period. Trump doesn't have enough voters to win, unless nobody shows up for the D candidate.

And this is why the Dems control the House.

*hits like button*

Bernie Sanders briefly loses his temper with Stephanie Ruhle pic.twitter.com/YJWfWDTVRa

— Jeff Cimmino (@jeffcimmino) June 20, 2019

I kept seeing this characterized as Bernie "losing his temper" on this issue but it's really a very mild response. What's notable is the level of rationalization going on w/ the press, many of whom really seem to be in the tank for Biden.

hard to name the most hardcore Stop Bernie faction

health insurance industry
DNC
Wall Street
msm
ILX lol

that is v mild salsa but some whites will still detect a pepper and call it spicy

oh and quelle surprise (sorry if already covered but if so I didn't spot it)

Joe Biden once referred to Democratic presidential candidate Rev. Jesse Jackson as “that boy.” pic.twitter.com/NXW7mTqkWt

— Walker Bragman (@WalkerBragman) June 20, 2019

I guess JJ wasn't clean and articulate enough to get his respect

my god that MSNBC question was moronic. Good on Sanders for losing his patience; at the 30-second mark, I hoped he'd say something like, "I've answered your question" and he did.