Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

yeah true i guess, doh

I'm not sure how on board with their pro-Sanders arguments vs. Warren work if Sanders can't pull more than 15% of the dem base. How can he rally a mass of the entire population to enact his agenda if he can barely crack 15% of the left?

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:38 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FWIW at this moment in previous election campaigns:

2008 Dem: Clinton led by 13.2 points
2008 GOP: Giuliani led by 7 points
2016 GOP: Bush led by 2 points

And Hillary led by 50 points atm for 2016, and there are fifty people running right now. Definitely true that Sanders isn't blowing anyone away right now (and Warren feels like the person who will beat out Biden), but there is just a massive amount of time between now and when it counts. Super Tuesday isn't until March 3, 2020 – a bunch of stuff is going to happen between now and then! I think a lot of people are just in a holding pattern, waiting for everyone but Biden / Warren / Sanders / Harris / XXXXXX to drop out.

wish I didn't get such a rush every time Red Scare girls/Amber Frost says something stupid but alas

Matt went on another pod to discuss the Weather Underground:

https://anchor.fm/impressions-of-america/episodes/Episode-9---Interview-with-Matt-Christman---Discussing-The-Weather-Underground-e4dvfq

Ugh stfu Amber

this is the correct take on Amber's bullshit, from the subreddit:

Had Louis C.K. never been accused, Amber would be criticizing Louis C.K. as a faux woke white male feminist who’s almost definitely a sex creep. Since her politics are based on culturally conservative bullshit, she defends him precisely *because* he was accused.

was going to ask what she'd done now but i think that explains it. oof. spicy hot-take

They all have a bit of a knee-jerk politics sometimes, cf their tendency to take whatever position on impeachment is not favored by the mainstream of the democratic party

Amber now literally just does the Felix "Contrarian Corner" bit except not as a bit.

thats a yikes from me

really though, between the Angela Nagle thing, the defending LCK thing, and the fake ISIS shirt thing, Red Scare girls are really horny for pariah status huh

red scare is basically a cum town spinoff podcast

pariahs in the eyes of who
xp

jim otm

What irritates me about RS isn’t so much their edgelordery as it is their self-importance. They want to be Lady Cumtown but at least Cumtown doesn’t pretend to be anything but a dumb joke podcast. RS occasionally seems to flirt with believing they’re saying something of substance. Of course if anyone tries to criticize what they say they fall back on “get a life, it’s just jokes”. They’re so tedious.

What irritates me about RS isn’t so much their edgelordery as it is their self-importance

RS occasionally seems to flirt with believing they’re saying something of substance.

🤔

from what I've gathered Red Scare is the contrarian "whooo, look at how leftists make everything into an overblown issue, sometimes I just want traditional whatever, being retrograde is fine and entertaining"

which might be novel or even edgy if you're in your early 20s but it's basically the shtick I've seen a half dozen times in my lifetime and eventually nearly every one of these people acting like they're the counter-culture to what they feel are woke norms end up turning into gavin mcinnes or pulling off their masks to reveal they always were

I mean, the current wave of socially conscious activism has people genuinely affecting change and doing hard work to build lasting effects and those who are on a bandwagon, but overall the progress we're seeing needs a lot more of the former to actually stick. Getting real societal change when it comes to entrenched misogyny, class consciousness, etc. isn't something where you've "solved" it and someone waves a big victory flag

it's cool to joke on your peers in passing about that kind of thing, but doing so as a media exercise makes me wonder how many of these people are also the "come on, you don't have it THAT bad" libertarian types

booming posts

when I was typing the bit about people putting in the hard work to affect change I was thinking of Hoos obv

^otm

Btw Flappy all I’m saying is that they present as being ironic and detached but also seem to sincerely think they’re delivering truth bombs that the left needs to hear instead of just warmed-over Paglia takes.

They have an “I’m the first person to have thought of this” energy about them which is annoying

RS is the shitty kneejerk too-hip-for-thou caricature non-fans assume Chapo is. If nothing else the latter fundraises for / draws attention to worthy causes from time to time.

Never heard of RS and only really know of Chapo by name. Michael Brooks show is pretty good, thats I guess the only one of these I really know

“Never heard of RS”

I envy you

I just googled - its the podcast of the girl from 'I just want people to have free healthcare, honey' Sailor Moon fame?

Yes. Alas, that ended up being her greatest accomplishment by some distance.

really though, between the Angela Nagle thing, the defending LCK thing, and the fake ISIS shirt thing, Red Scare girls are really horny for pariah status huh

― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 24 June 2019 17:26 (two hours ago) Permalink

whats the Nagle thing? she seems good from the interviews I've heard with her.

Yes. Alas, that ended up being her greatest accomplishment by some distance.

― Simon H.,

its a good accomplishment, at least!

xp.
she's a socially conservative, anti-immigration leftist

although she's pretty coy about it at times

also her book was riddled with typos

huh, reading about her anti immigration article now, i missed this particular twitter storm. whats the socially conservative angle?

xp I feel like her book snuck out in the crossover period where people hadn't yet realized that all of the original people from zero books (the publisher) had left and they were on the verge of just releasing a mixed bag of increasingly questionable junk

not to say everything from the original group was good, but there was a definite shift

Angle Nagle says "SJW feminists" have a "strange sexual politics" because they believe consent is crucial to prevent sexual harassment, assault and rape. She then weirdly ties this in with them being for the legalisation of abortion and prostitution, implying she opposes that pic.twitter.com/6xq0xrwREi

— ☀️👀 (@zei_nabq) October 6, 2018

thanks for linking up that thread, jim!

Yes. Alas, that ended up being her greatest accomplishment by some distance.

― Simon H., Monday, June 24, 2019 3:59 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Have you seen Wobble Palace? She's great in it, and it's a very good movie - trailers make it look misleadingly bad.

How much of the podcast have any of you listened to? Up to the listener to decide whether or not the sincere points they make are warmed over Paglia or not. I think they make a clear distinction when they're being contrarian and sarcastic ("going to the Wing made me want to detonate the vest") and when they're sincere (concern about the climate apocalypse being a "bourgeois eschatology" or Tim Faust's gauche "Abortion Rules!" t-shirt). I understand why people don't like the show, but what's to be bothered about? They wouldn't have a growing audience if they weren't speaking to some disaffected and stifled segment of the left, which remains largely humorless and rigid. Frankly I've been shocked how many of my hard left friends have recently become massive RS fans, ranging in age from 20 to 50. These are not libertarians. And none of them agree with everything D&A say. I don't think that Anna professing the joy of housework or defending Zizek stymies social progress, and to suggest that people aren't discerning enough to tell when they're kidding, being hyperbolic, or serious... I don't think that gives their audience enough credit at all, which again, has really expanded recently and shows no signs of slowing down.

lot of gossiping about which celebs are fat and calling people retarded also

yes

Based on your characterization of their serious opinions... they suck regardless so I'm not sure the ability to differentiate 'just jokes bro' and not is important.

They wouldn't have a growing audience if they weren't speaking to some disaffected and stifled segment of the left

Of those 2750, 50+% are cumtown fans who want to be paypigs.

red scare is very entertaining imho. very funny to hear women in their late 20s early 30s making a living off podcasting shifting from talking about doing coke at verso loft party to how they want to be tradwives and we need the patriarchy back. loved the recent episode where they went to the zoo. their takes seem to deal with and are directed at a very narrow segment of the brooklyn media left or liberal actresses that post on twitter a lot, completely disconnected from reality, and are absurd and should be taken as seriously as their takes on astrology or climate change.

so by the overlap i’m getting that red scare is where the young presumably left-isht howard stern fans are

they have a lot of fans in the UK & Canada. I'm in Baltimore, and again, the diversity of people I know that have recently become fans is striking - from lifelong communists to committed young lefties to disengaged but reliable progressives. These are not gullible converts about to turn into McInnes or Peterson. Also, unlike JP, Red Scare is not surrounded by a toxic cult. I'd be concerned if people were modeling their lives after D&A like they do with JP and any of the IDW idiots, but they're not. Dasha talking about the joys of fainting in public or Anna going on and on about how hot the Boston Bomber is, no one is taking this as life advice, and they're not turning anyone over to the right wing. So if you think they suck, just don't listen to the show... something like Pod Save America or The Young Turks nauseates me, but they're not hard to avoid. it's not like when Howard was on terrestrial, or O&A for that matter, and they were inescapable, just in the air constantly.

The Zoo is my favorite episode of the show.

so by the overlap i’m getting that red scare is where the young presumably left-isht howard stern fans are

― mh, Monday, June 24, 2019 8:30 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think is right, speaking for myself and a few friends.

*this is...

bababooey

So if you think they suck, just don't listen to the show

sorry i would also like to complain about how horrible it is on the internet

lot of gossiping about which celebs are fat and calling people retarded also

very cool program

By all means, post away...

Is feminism going through the period equivalent to the Gay '00s where the Big Activism was all about marriage and serving in the military, and I was all "idgaf"?

Chapo is still happening?

You’re vastly overestimating how much of a shit anyone in this thread cares about RS, no one’s gathering up pitchforks and torches. They only come up because of the Amber connection.