It feels like you could devise some Hawkeye-ish offside tech that would be near instantaneous - if the Byzantine interference guidelines were dropped - and then just forget about the purely interpretive fouls/intention/contact nonsense
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
Then use similar technology to solve the Irish border dilemma.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
woah buddy I'm not running for the Tory leadership
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
there won't be any such thing as an offside trap when players can teleport themselves to different areas of the pitch in a millisec!
― calzino, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
VAR in this tournament has been a fail. I like it in limited circumstances but what got me into soccer for the first time ten years ago was the flow of the game.
This interrupts it and there is a world of diff to me between noticing a player is a foot offside vs seeing their toe is a centimeter over
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
There will be an offside backstop to cover that
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
But last year at WC it wasn't bad. I read the revisions to the handball rule and I feel like it's not being interpreted properly, but that's because they went into effect on 6/1 and nobody had much time to let it marinate
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
IMO players should get a text message when they are offside
I mean maybe I'm reading too much into body language but watching the ref watch the replays it seemed she was like "wtf is this shit" as much any dumbass watching with me in the pub.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
In NHL 19 you can turn on an offside indicator that let’s you know if you’ll be offside if you cross the blue line
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
There was one VAR intervention every six games in Germany last season iirc. It doesn’t have to be intrusive. The biggest problems are policy related - always letting play go on unless the striker is about three feet offside, the terrible handball rule, the apparent decision to ban virtually any contact in the penalty area.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
It's kinda sad that MLS has a better (albeit still awful) VAR system
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:43 (four years ago) link
And yea, a foul in the box needs to be an outright mugging or something that isn't a video that shows maybe a shin tapped the outside of a leg lightly.
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
Kinda wonder if No Era Penal would indeed have not been a penal with this VAR.
But that would make me sad cos lol @ the hypocritical whining over that for more than a year
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:37 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Tweetstorm iirc
VAR could be so simple, and great, if it deals with measurable, objectively detectable things in play: offside or not, goal over the line or not.
Now thought, it creates a Droste-effect: the ref doesn't know if it's a pen or not, so we go to the VAR that - big surprise - is also inconclusive. Leave those decisions up to the ref, don't VAR it. There'll be mistakes, but hey, the sport has survived those up till now. Part of the game.
The logical conclusion of leaving everything to VAR is to abolish football.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
^^^ spot on
its still a work-in-progress, im optimistic itll work efficiently and properly eventually
― . (Michael B), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
Seriously. My local team gets jizzed on with shit calls weekly and i show up
It doesn't need to become the NFL where you need a doctorate to determine if a catch was really a catch
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
Everybody more or less otm. The tech is way less a problem than awful reinterpretations of rules.
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
"VAR could be so simple, and great, if it deals with measurable, objectively detectable things in play: offside or not, goal over the line or not."
Goal over the line is measurable in a way offside is not. A player can look marginally on or off depending on the angle available. We are going to be looking at a mm here or there and shit is gonna blow.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:34 (four years ago) link
it should only come into play when ref calls for it
the craic of relying upon it to finetooth every important event is so shockingly stupid its as if they want it to fail
xp an offside that close shouldnt go to var
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
Watching three idiots argue in favor of the bullshit Pen on Deadspin's comments, illustrating exactly what obscure camera angle you have to watch, and at what speed to watch it at, kind of illustrates the problem.
Wonder how influential sportsbooks are in this type of system
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:05 (four years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:34 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
You're wrong. Offside has to be the easiest detectable thing in football. Whether it be by a yard or inch or what have you. Ref should hear a whistle in her ear before the player being offside realizes it him/herself. Fast and clean.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:08 (four years ago) link
If mm's bother you, there's no point in having the offside rule at all is there? Offside is offside. It's not complicated iirc
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link
ok you guys, I wish you would allow me to continue fantasizing that I liked sports for once
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
The important thing is to keep hating Luis Suarez
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:33 (four years ago) link
the instantaneous offside calls LBI is advocating would require every player to be microchipped and the entire pitch carpeted with sensors
― wot's the tea mum? (not beef again) (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 04:59 (four years ago) link
And then offending player shot
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 05:12 (four years ago) link
late to the party yall just gimme the goals
― gbx, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 05:18 (four years ago) link
Do the soccer!
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 05:19 (four years ago) link
Tonight should be good as well. Based on performance across the tournament as a whole, i would go for Netherlands, based on performances in the knock-out stages, Sweden. Netherlands can definitely step up a gear.
― ShariVari, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 06:12 (four years ago) link
My memory of VAR at the Men's World Cup was that it was heavily used during the group stages and less and less during the knockouts.
It's the uncertainty and waiting and faffing around that ruins everything - any evolution that kills or undermines the most basic unit of joy in a match feels insanely short sighted on behalf of the authorities. It's like it's been devised by people who have never watched football in a stadium.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:40 (four years ago) link
devised for people who've never watched football in a stadium, by people who've never watched football in a stadium
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:41 (four years ago) link
but i'm not sure how that accounts for the even more fundamentally stupid handball change
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:43 (four years ago) link
unless somebody at FIFA got fed up of explaining to thick bastards what intentionality means
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:44 (four years ago) link
Alternatively, sport is about human frailty and human error as much as feats of skill or strength or achievement and I don't see why referees should be excluded from that, other than to make a million armchair twats happy.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:45 (four years ago) link
like i said before, half the time all VAR does is defer to another fallible ref no better than the one on the pitch anyway
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:47 (four years ago) link
Lol @ offsides being the easiest thing. It is...except that one with the tiniest bit of leg in it, or was it? *Checks VAR for five mins*
If it doesn't stop the TV money coming in FIFA or whoever are not gonna care.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:56 (four years ago) link
highly recommend the first ep of this podcast, re: VAR:https://atrpodcast.com
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 08:05 (four years ago) link
Lol @ offsides being the easiest thing
Indeed, the entire history of Association Football suggests otherwise.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 09:14 (four years ago) link
Wasn't offside initially introduced to stop goal-hanging? The idea of policing every single call to the finest hair's breadth is extreme pedantry and will be the death of football. It can't work
― or something, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 09:41 (four years ago) link
otm
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:32 (four years ago) link
it is kind of hilarious given how extremely relaxed refs are about touch-line calls, which as far as i know are not subject to VAR yet result in a change of possession and are presumably much easier to call
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link
(using VAR)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:37 (four years ago) link
What do you mean by touch-line calls?
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link
Sorry, whatever the hell you call out-of-bounds over here
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link
I feel like the ball has to be about a foot out of bounds before it gets called and nobody ever really complains
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link
Yes but that happens all the time, matches would last three hours if you had to use VAR for that!
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
Having said that, FIFA are stupid enough to do it.
why VAR the touchline when you could surround the pitch with spiked walls that gradually close in on the players over the 90 minutes?
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:57 (four years ago) link
Haha no I'm just saying that offside should be treated with the same level of "good enough"
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:00 (four years ago) link