Kinda wonder if No Era Penal would indeed have not been a penal with this VAR.
But that would make me sad cos lol @ the hypocritical whining over that for more than a year
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
IMO players should get a text message when they are offside
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:37 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Tweetstorm iirc
VAR could be so simple, and great, if it deals with measurable, objectively detectable things in play: offside or not, goal over the line or not.
Now thought, it creates a Droste-effect: the ref doesn't know if it's a pen or not, so we go to the VAR that - big surprise - is also inconclusive. Leave those decisions up to the ref, don't VAR it. There'll be mistakes, but hey, the sport has survived those up till now. Part of the game.
The logical conclusion of leaving everything to VAR is to abolish football.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
^^^ spot on
its still a work-in-progress, im optimistic itll work efficiently and properly eventually
― . (Michael B), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
Seriously. My local team gets jizzed on with shit calls weekly and i show up
It doesn't need to become the NFL where you need a doctorate to determine if a catch was really a catch
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
Everybody more or less otm. The tech is way less a problem than awful reinterpretations of rules.
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
"VAR could be so simple, and great, if it deals with measurable, objectively detectable things in play: offside or not, goal over the line or not."
Goal over the line is measurable in a way offside is not. A player can look marginally on or off depending on the angle available. We are going to be looking at a mm here or there and shit is gonna blow.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:34 (four years ago) link
it should only come into play when ref calls for it
the craic of relying upon it to finetooth every important event is so shockingly stupid its as if they want it to fail
xp an offside that close shouldnt go to var
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
Watching three idiots argue in favor of the bullshit Pen on Deadspin's comments, illustrating exactly what obscure camera angle you have to watch, and at what speed to watch it at, kind of illustrates the problem.
Wonder how influential sportsbooks are in this type of system
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:05 (four years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:34 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
You're wrong. Offside has to be the easiest detectable thing in football. Whether it be by a yard or inch or what have you. Ref should hear a whistle in her ear before the player being offside realizes it him/herself. Fast and clean.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:08 (four years ago) link
If mm's bother you, there's no point in having the offside rule at all is there? Offside is offside. It's not complicated iirc
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link
ok you guys, I wish you would allow me to continue fantasizing that I liked sports for once
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
The important thing is to keep hating Luis Suarez
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 00:33 (four years ago) link
the instantaneous offside calls LBI is advocating would require every player to be microchipped and the entire pitch carpeted with sensors
― wot's the tea mum? (not beef again) (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 04:59 (four years ago) link
And then offending player shot
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 05:12 (four years ago) link
late to the party yall just gimme the goals
― gbx, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 05:18 (four years ago) link
Do the soccer!
― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 05:19 (four years ago) link
Tonight should be good as well. Based on performance across the tournament as a whole, i would go for Netherlands, based on performances in the knock-out stages, Sweden. Netherlands can definitely step up a gear.
― ShariVari, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 06:12 (four years ago) link
My memory of VAR at the Men's World Cup was that it was heavily used during the group stages and less and less during the knockouts.
It's the uncertainty and waiting and faffing around that ruins everything - any evolution that kills or undermines the most basic unit of joy in a match feels insanely short sighted on behalf of the authorities. It's like it's been devised by people who have never watched football in a stadium.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:40 (four years ago) link
devised for people who've never watched football in a stadium, by people who've never watched football in a stadium
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:41 (four years ago) link
but i'm not sure how that accounts for the even more fundamentally stupid handball change
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:43 (four years ago) link
unless somebody at FIFA got fed up of explaining to thick bastards what intentionality means
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:44 (four years ago) link
Alternatively, sport is about human frailty and human error as much as feats of skill or strength or achievement and I don't see why referees should be excluded from that, other than to make a million armchair twats happy.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:45 (four years ago) link
like i said before, half the time all VAR does is defer to another fallible ref no better than the one on the pitch anyway
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:47 (four years ago) link
Lol @ offsides being the easiest thing. It is...except that one with the tiniest bit of leg in it, or was it? *Checks VAR for five mins*
If it doesn't stop the TV money coming in FIFA or whoever are not gonna care.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 07:56 (four years ago) link
highly recommend the first ep of this podcast, re: VAR:https://atrpodcast.com
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 08:05 (four years ago) link
Lol @ offsides being the easiest thing
Indeed, the entire history of Association Football suggests otherwise.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 09:14 (four years ago) link
Wasn't offside initially introduced to stop goal-hanging? The idea of policing every single call to the finest hair's breadth is extreme pedantry and will be the death of football. It can't work
― or something, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 09:41 (four years ago) link
otm
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:32 (four years ago) link
it is kind of hilarious given how extremely relaxed refs are about touch-line calls, which as far as i know are not subject to VAR yet result in a change of possession and are presumably much easier to call
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link
(using VAR)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:37 (four years ago) link
What do you mean by touch-line calls?
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link
Sorry, whatever the hell you call out-of-bounds over here
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link
I feel like the ball has to be about a foot out of bounds before it gets called and nobody ever really complains
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link
Yes but that happens all the time, matches would last three hours if you had to use VAR for that!
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
Having said that, FIFA are stupid enough to do it.
why VAR the touchline when you could surround the pitch with spiked walls that gradually close in on the players over the 90 minutes?
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:57 (four years ago) link
Haha no I'm just saying that offside should be treated with the same level of "good enough"
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:00 (four years ago) link
Also I feel like the "challenge" system in tennis and baseball is useful in terms of limiting the number of times the game stops
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:01 (four years ago) link
offside "benefit of doubt goes to the attacking team" was tracer's "good enough" and always seemed okay to me. can honestly say that i've never been outraged when the team i support concedes a goal that tv later shows the scorer was offside by a few inches or smthg.
noodle nails it upthread that it isn't designed with stadium going fans in mind at all with the added bonus that it's crap for tv viewera too!
― oscar bravo, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:28 (four years ago) link
ill go one further and say sterlings 94th minute goal shouldve stood
spirit of the game
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link
I think giving teams 2 VAR challenges per half is a great idea
― . (Michael B), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:40 (four years ago) link
if i do say so myself
only the ref should have a var call
and it should never be mandated
and any player asking for it should be shot
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:48 (four years ago) link
or yellow carded
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
deems otm
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
yeah i think that would work
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
envisaging legions of keyboard tacticians angrily condemning this or that coach for using all their VAR challenges by the 80th minute when everyone of course knows that marginal calls are statistically more likely after the 82nd etc etc and then putting my head in the oven
― wot's the tea mum? (not beef again) (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link
it is kind of hilarious given how extremely relaxed refs are
always amazing to me how, with the fate of nations riding on games, no one ever really knows how much time's left. eight minutes of added time? sure, why not. one side is pressing forward when that ends? we'll just let things go until they score or turn the ball over
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0JFuWqwFg4
inverse of this is Clive Thomas refereeing Brazil-Sweden in 1978 WC and electing to adhere to injury time so specifically as to blow the whistle exactly as a corner is headed in. love to see it
(also enjoying the "great protests from the Brazilians" in fact being the players looking a bit pissed off then walking off the pitch as normal)
― wot's the tea mum? (not beef again) (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
Not stopping the clock and refusing to keep accurate time to add at the end is so ridiculous. It’s simple to track the exact amount of time play was stopped and display that time to the audience and players.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link