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one problem is that chris marker tends to work ad-hoc, in a different production context for each film (at least, this was true through the 80s, i think the situation may be different for the past 15 years). he gets a comission or scrapes together funding from diverse sources. hence many problems getting the stuff into video release.

i'd like to see le mystere koumiko, cuba si, description d'un combat, etc. more widely available. not to mention le fond de l'air est rouge.

amateur!!st, Monday, 1 November 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

la jetee is available as part of the short circuit series on the dreams-issue dvd... widely available.

also, sans soleil is (or at least was) available on vhs here.

these, sadly, are the only 2 i've seen.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

la jetwée

-- mark s (mar...), November 19th, 2003.

ha!

amateur!!st, Monday, 1 November 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd like to see... le fond de l'air est rouge.
-- amateur!!st (-...), November 1st, 2004 1:18 PM.


Perhaps the luckiest "catch" I've ever had in my moviegoing life. Actually, scratch that "perhaps."

Well, I'd imagine that I'll just buy the DVD burn of Vietnam and hope it's a little bit less chatty than Sans soleil or Last Bolshevik.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

is alain resnais worth investigating for fans of marker?

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

He made a DVD rom a year or so ago - i remember reading a review in the wire.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

CD rom, of course.

Immemory

jed_ (jed), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

This would have been a good topic to post at ILF.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"immemory" was covered upthread, oops.

and here also

Chris Marker CD-Rom

jed_ (jed), Monday, 1 November 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

La Jetee is available in the states on Short 2: Dreams along with a bunch of uninteresting shorts from other people.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 1 November 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I found an mpeg version of "Grin Without a Cat" on edonkey... I could probably share it on s0uls33k if anyone were to express interest.

Matthew C, Monday, 8 November 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
i have 953mb of 'grin without a cat'. in total it's 2gb. this is about day three i think.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I d/led it two years ago and still haven't watched all of it :/

Stevie T, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought Le Jetee/Sans Soliel on DVD from Fopp last summer for £7 and still haven't watched that...

Michael Jones, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i did get a rare-ass short about china from the late 50s off the internet the other day. i will watch. apparently marker himself is behind the suppression of his early stuff. i say apparently because that might be bollocks. but it is pretty striking how rare his old stuff is. 'grin' and the one about the train were both done as anglo versions by a leftist filmmaker called marc karlin (him, ray winstone, and marcello should meet, though karlin is dead) and i guess that might be why they're just about more seeable than, say, 'lettre a siberie'.

That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

new criterion edition of La Jetee/Sans Soleil out in June.

Steve Shasta, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

'grin' and the one about the train were both done as anglo versions by a leftist filmmaker called marc karlin

?!

Eric H., Saturday, 31 March 2007 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't mean completely overhauled! karlin was a young guy who was in paris in '68 and sort of worked for marker then. they stayed in touch and he put together the anglo versions is all i know. karlin (by the mid-70s) was part of the berwick street film collective, which made the famous doc 'nightcleaners'. he some films about left-wing... stufff for tv in the eighties, founded the magazine 'vertigo', and died young.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19990128/ai_n9659468

details are sketchy, but in an interview in a book called 'looking at class', karlin say: "In the mid-1970s I did the English version of Chris Marker's <<The Train Rolls On>>.

He says also that Marker kind of sent out a round-robin to leftist filmmakers "to send him their offcuts, because he wanted to make a film about what the left censored." And he says much stuff was indeed sent to Marker, and that though the film didn't pan out that way some ofn the material in 'Grin' came from that.

Then he says "Again I did the English version [of <<Le Fond de l'air est rouge>>], a two-and-a-half hour film that Channel 4 showed."

He says Simone Signoret did a speech in the original but that for some reason they brought in an Anglo to do it instead, in English, rather than subtitle it?!?! (Redgrave?) Weird.

That one guy that quit, Saturday, 31 March 2007 07:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Interesting. I wonder if his name shows up in that Catherine Lupton book I haven't finished.

Eric H., Saturday, 31 March 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

To clarify, I didn't mean for that to sound all "who the hell is this guy," but rather wanted to know more about Marker's alternate versions (which I wasn't aware of him farming out) and thought it was strange that the literature on Marker that I've read doesn't usually say all that much about collaborators.

Then again, I haven't read all that much of the literature on Marker.

Eric H., Saturday, 31 March 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

new criterion edition of La Jetee/Sans Soleil out in June.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa

poortheatre, Sunday, 1 April 2007 02:37 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah that's good news

admrl, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

see the criterion thread but it isn't a big advance on the pre-existing dvd :(

That one guy that quit, Sunday, 1 April 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=ZeroCrowell

A few Marker films posted piecemeal. Get 'em while they're still there.

Eric H., Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks Eric.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Eric, you are the greatest! I just wish statues also die had english subtitles like Level 5 does.

t0dd swiss, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...

almost missed this, closes this weekend. now, could be extended to the 10th.

http://www.peterblumgallery.com/soho.html

sanskrit, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.peterblumgallery.com/images/aliocha_orly.jpg

sanskrit, Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://filmjourney.weblogger.com/2008/10/22/cats-go-barack/

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

'la joli mai' at NFT today and tomorrow

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link

a fav

conrad, Saturday, 16 May 2009 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

must read for fans of marker and/or vertigo:

http://www.chrismarker.org/a-free-replay-notes-on-vertigo/

quiet and secretively we will always be together (Steve Shasta), Friday, 11 December 2009 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I think we're still catching up with things Marker was thinking about decades ago.

this rings true but tbh felt sorta overwhelmed by sans soliel to the point of not really feeling/thinking anything at all

has mia ever been so far as to go even do what more like? (Lamp), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Only feels like a 'catch up' because his work isn't v available.

Sans Soleil is nowhere near as good la joli mai.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

not really impressed by 'grin w/o a cat'

seems really credulous politically

or that's what i thought, watching it, and then towards the end it makes allende look like a complete dick... but my impression was that he was meant to be one of the heroes?

wonder what was in the four-hour cut that got left out

unchill english bro (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I've seen the four hour cut, I thought it was great

invahid opinion (admrl), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link

i had no idea this guy had made so many films. La jetee and sans soleil are totally major imb but i've never seen anything else and i get the feeling u cant just buy them on amazon.

plax (ico), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link

some of it was impressive, but a lot of it was very boring and humbug-packed speeches.

marker's cutesy cat thing rubs up all weird with his softness towards dictators: cats, he says, never respect power. which is great because power is always bad -- except when it isn't. not sure what the appeal of a lot of it is unless you specialize in the history of the french far left: all of the hatred for the union of the left is, im sure, fine (and a lot more directly put than his pretty mild critique of euro-maoism), but he's way more specific about all that than, say, the nature of the democratic socialist project the film is allegedly devoted to. that is a sort of shadowy ideal, and the allende-makes-a-dick-of-himself moment is directly related to it. he's whinging that -- shocker -- workers don't turn up to meetings on the weekend to discuss factory policy. he's all like 'it's your factory' and they're all like 'w/e'.

xpost

he's kind of suppressed his pre-jetee/joli mai stuff. some of it gets shown sometimes, but not much. i'd love to see 'description of a struggle', which *does* get shown a bit.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I think you can get this and The Last Bolshevik and maybe Case Of The Grinning Cat

xp

invahid opinion (admrl), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link

erm you can buy a three hour version of Grin... on amazon, but if its originally 4 hours then I'd assume any argument would be damaged by the shortening? xxp

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

it's just as possible that the argument in the 1977 version was even worse!

it doesn't exactly have an argument, just kind of an idea that there was a non-aligned democratic-socialist left in the 1960s, particularly in czechoslovakia and chile, that failed because the US and USSR wanted it to fail.

it's not a fully coherent argument coz castro, not exactly non-aligned, seems to be pretty much a hero throughout -- not entirely, but pretty much.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link

well, ok, whatever the idea, it might be more fully fleshed out, which might make it more hateable - who knows, maybe that's why all that is easily available on dvd is Sans Soleil and a short film.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

it's not hateable exactly, it's just that CM has a reputation as a tip-top intellectual film essayist and this is a let-down. i guess i would rather see the original warts-and-all 1977 one, coz this one ends *really* abruptly with the collapse of the USSR. some of it is dazzling, but not enough! a lot of it is just speeches. the early travelogues don't do that.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i was watching that "letter to jane" thing last night and i was like "u know i really like film essays maybe" and i was thinking about this guy and i still havent seen anything beyond la jetee and sans soleil but i dled loin du vietnam and im gonna watch it tonight but then i was like o hey what other things should i maybe see (i dont even know if this vietnam thing is gonna be any good) also like agnes varda she doesnt have a thread

plax (ico), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

harun farocki is ya boy

rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link

if you can find jean-pierre gorin's southern CA trilogy anywhere, watch those, they are great

rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

orson welles' 'f for fake' (art forgeries!)

rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

haha i really like a lot of these too i guess

rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link

oh ok thats the guy godard is talking to in letter to jane?

plax (ico), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah. they were both part of dziga vertov group (of whom i've seen one film; it was, uh, 'difficult')

rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link


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