Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

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yo was up if you ask me nas is just pissed of seeing jay-z fake ass face on tv. my best advice for jay-z is to not answer back to nas diss because if he does nas will destory him. nas lyrics are too powerfull to compare with jay-z. my best advice for jay-z is before he decide to answer back listen to nas joinz like e.g. the message, the firm bizz, if i ruled the work, nas is like to let him know that he is going against a very hard mutherfucken hore rapper

― MedEsco, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Who cares if Pac's first 2 albums didn't sell as much as Big. Pac and Big were not gods because of their albums. They were gods because of their charisma. Pac was a revolutionary who has sold more records(33 mil) than any rapper ever (Mc Hammer/Will Smith are second with 20 mill and then big with 16 mill). Type in Tupac in any web browser and see how many fuckin hits you get. Then type in big and see how many you get. No contest muhphukas. Pac is a phenomenon.

― Don Juan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ohmigoodness, did'ja hear Jay-Z's NEWEST comeback record to Nas? No, not "The Takeover" on The Blueprint, but he's got a new one that I'm banking will shut "Nasty" Nas up good; it's called "I Will Not Lose", and here's a sample:

"...niggas wanna play Hov' for pussy / I'll grab you by your fuckin' chipped tooth and send you home, you wussy / Talkin' bout, "Nas Is Like", I'll rob you of your life / You better just drop the mic / Or I'll murder you with this pocketknife / Hov' stay gutter / Hoes won't mutter / When I melt Escobitch like homemade butter..."

If ya'll ain't heard it by NOW, ya' better cop the MP3...Nas is aiight, but Hov' is the GOD! Undoubtedly, he is nice like librarians at closing time. Holla!

― Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"I'll murder you with this pocketknife" sounds like something I've said to someone before.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've written better rhymes than that.

― Greg, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But wait, there's more! Peep the second verse:

"...feminist women love Jigga Man / Chikka-chikka look at Nas Esco, I'm sick of him / Look at him / Walkin' around with fake answers and all / I'll throw him cancerous barbs / Yeah, but he's so wack though / I got a pitbull that eats sheep and spits wool / And chews on Nasty Nas's flesh until its stomach gets full / This nigga skipped school / Barely went to class, thinkin' shit's cool Hid a loaded pistol under this retarded kid's stool..."

I'm tellin' you, Hov' is gutter like a bowling alley. Peep the REAL Blueprint LP, due next week! Holla!

― Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why don't you just admit that you're Ja Rule?

― ALly, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Admit that I'm Ja Rule? I don't get it, ALly.

― Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Holla, Puffy.

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

what sond did jay sample nas on, i cant remember. the blueprint is thowed as hell. he got in nas's ass. i think people dis nas more than he deserves. nastradamus was garbage, but I am was not bad. what do yall think about jada, cuz it seems like he gets no props. i think his shit was hot. what s this i hear about jay z being a faggot, is that true, cuz im hearin it a lot. oh yeah, one more thing, listen for that new nelly song"Number 1" that is the worst rap shit ever played on the radio, finally his fame is up.

― houstons finest, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jigga Man sampled Nas's "The World Is Yours" for his own "Dead Presidents II". You heard him on "The Takeover": "...you made it a hot line / I made it a hot song..." Die-hard Jay-Z fan in the house! And remember, peep the new Jigga song "I Will Not Lose" as I posted earlier. Holla!

― Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-z is not gay, thats just a rumor that people spread.

― , Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i think this is a good beef, i jus hope they keepit on wax... stillmatic was hard and so was the takeover, but neither nas or H.O.V.A. can see Pac... Pac was and is the king of the dis song (see hit em up, bomb first, and against all odds).

― Kev Davis, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

canibus ripped ll witht the 2001 freestyle

― Brian Erwin, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

With all this beef going on there should be nobody hungry foreal,but any way I think the only way to solve who's the best MC is to get them all on stage or ring with one mic and let it all out. Keep it gangsta with yo skills not the steel cause there's to many Mc's being rememberd. There all the best to me on different levels,but don't forget my mans and nem X !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Rell_Flava, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yo lets get shit straight...Nas fell off after Illmatic..hes not number two..hes not number three..shit he ain't even in the top twenty...Jay got mad commercial after reasonable doubt but he was still doin the businessman thing by puttin on the club-bangers..but i personally had no respect for him as a rapper...he was still definitely the strongest lyricist in the game..i just wasnt feelin what he was saying..however...all u rap gods gotta cop the blueprint...that shit is reasonable doubt status...aint nobody touchin him right now...regardless of the haters trying to holla..Nas is wack...that rhyme he spit was hot tho...maybe if he could consistently spit some hot shit he wouldnt have fallen off so damn hard...btw...Beanie killed Jada but Jada is definitely the tighter rapper overall...Holla!...ONE

― Chris LastName, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that retarded kid's stool joke on nas' 'sneak an uzi on the island' line is hype.

― ethan, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yo check i'm from cali, and i just heard about the jay z and nas beef when i copped the blue print. . .but i think over all nas is way iller then Jay Z, he might of fell off but he will be topping the charts agian. yeah, but nas battle flow was way iller then jayz diss.

― Edwin JOHNSON, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas sucks, the only rappers holding it down in QB is Prodigy,Kool G Rap, Cormega and Tragedy khadafi. Nas diss sucked. Jay-Z killed him on the takeover.

― The Don, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The way i see it....Lyrically there is no way in this lifetime Hova can ever match up to nas! Although jay-z has thrown out albums consecutivly the feud is rediculos. If you asked me the only album im feeling from jay-z and nas is both there first ones. Jay-z is commercial while nas you have to shit back and think about where hes coming from. All in all, this feud will play out very dirty. Cause niggahs both in queens and brooklyn dont give a fuck. Real niggahs do real things!

One

― The Realness, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

THERE ARE NOTHING WRONG WIT NAS & JIGGA FIRST AND FOREMOST I LIKE TO SAY TO NAS HES A TRUE HATER SO AS JADA,PRODIGYAND SO AS FAT JOE BUT WHAT IT IS IM A TRUE JAY-Z FAN, THEY PROBALY SAYIN SHIT BOUT JAY-Z CAUSE THEY GOT NUTTIN GOOD ALL THEY SHIT IZ WEAK 4REAL AND JIGGA JUST RELEASE HIS NEW ALBUM CALLED THE BLUEPRINT 4SHO AND IF U HEARD DA ALBUM OH GOT DA ALBUM LISTEN TO TRACK 2 THATS DA SHIT WHEN HE DISSED MOBBDEEP AND NAS,HE SMASH DAT SINGLE ITS CALLED TAKEOVER HE KILLED THEY SHIT BUT ITS NOT DAT NAS HAVENT COME OUT WITH NUTTIN GOOD YET DATS HOT WELL DATS Y THEY STRIKING ON THE ROC CAUSE THEY ON TOP AND THEY AINT GOT NUTTIN HOT AFTER BIG BEEN A WAY JIGGA HAS BEEN DA BESTU KNOW .

― JERRY JEAN, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z and Nas are two good rappers. I think their is nothing wrong in saying what you want about another person as long as yall don't through hands. People buy and listen to there music everyday and there's nothing wrong with what they are doing. Both of them getting there money and they never stop doing what they love to do. This is a way of expressing themselves to the rap game.

Holla

― Jay-Lo, Wednesday, 12 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DAMN MOTHERFUCKERS! Nigga Are Talking shit about this niggaz when they all are tight. Jay- z Ran The rap Game Like He Say. Nas is mad because he know he should have been the man that had thegme on lock beause his the best pure rapper, but Hova is a better at hustling getting with he wants. jadakiss is my nigga but he not that type that could be King of the rap game, he's more of a knight, as for Beanie Sigel his tight i like him but he can't be Compare To Jay, Kiss or Nas He not on there Level. their in College And Beanie and memphis, Sp, Sheek and the rest of the brave Heart are in High school. Prodigy Then Lost has Fucking Mind Taking Shots at jay, what the fuck was he thinking. Dmx is the realest down to earth nigga but not really lyrically deep. Really the only to Rapper the qualify as being the King is Jay and Nas, but Jay Out Standing record of deeping dope got him the crown, Nas just Trying To Restore his name and one day after doping 2 dope album that better than Jay-z(which i may add will be hard as heel to do) can steal the crown as King of the rap game. I HAD TO EDUCATE YOU FUCKERS!

― TAZMA, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nas is going to eat jay z for breakfast ya heard

― big law, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas sucks big ass dick!! He was never hot, and never will be. He can't rap for shit, he aint' touchin jay-z so fuck that. But that does'nt matter cuz the best fucking rapper ever is still and always be Tupac Shakur mothafuckas

― Michael, Thursday, 13 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Some people just take this "commercial" thing too far. Regardless of who it is, people rap about life. Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt were some untouchable ass albums we can all agree on that one. However, it was their first albums so they rap about their lives (i.e. drugs and thuggin out). Not to much mentioning of iced out chains and expensive cars because they couldn't afford all that. They can now, so they've earned the right to rap about all that because it's a trophy to them. Bottom line of it all, some people are gonna love what you do, some people are gonna hate what you do. Just make sure that there are more people that love what you do. -Champagne James

― Champagne James, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z ripped Nas and Mobb Deep on his new CD!!! That nigga is everywhere and got the game on lock without a doubt!!!

― Jeremiah Erby, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

after reading some of that shit i hope yall start killing yourselves. oh no this is the internet.

― Suave Wobb, Friday, 14 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

JIGGA HURTS NAS ON HIS NW C.D, EVEN THOUGH IM A HUGE FAN OF BOTH JIGGA AND NAS, NAS'S CREWS ARE GONNA BE TOO MUCH 4 HIM 2 TAKE ON.I'VE GOT EVERYTHING NAS AND JIGGA HAVE DONE AND THEY BOTH ILL RAPPERS, NAS AN ILL POET 2.BUT JIGGA SHOULD NOT TRY 2 MESS COZ R.O.C AINT GOT NOTHING ON QUEENSBRIDGE-BOTH OF THEM R THE BEST THE EaStSiDe HAVE GOT. BENIE,MEMPHIS ARE ILL 2 BUT QUEENSBIDGE ARE TOO MANY AND ALL HEAVY M.C'S.SOME1'S GONNA GET HURT-U HEARD FROM ME FIRST.ONE

― EaSt SiDe LoVeR, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

jay WAS cool but his last 2 albums just didnt cut apart from big pimpin he didnt have those clasic tracks u expexct from him. yeah he is a grat rapper but he seems 2 be lackin nowdays nas is de man he is 1 of de tightest rappers of all time if n e 1 could do in jay its him jay aint a batlling rapper and nas is da man.

― andy hixon, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think Nas and Jay-z are a couple of the best rappers right now. Although you can't compare the two. Jay-z is nothing more than a commercial pretty boy that says things to sell records. I like his stuff but it is not on the same level as Nas. Nas has ideas and opinions and can tell a story in a rap. Nas's combination of Illmatic, I am, and It was Written is better than anything Jay-z will ever put out.

― Ray Vazini, Saturday, 15 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas and Jay Z are probably two of the most talented MC out right now. But their stlyles are different. Jay Z has more of a laid back, witty style and Nas has a more inituitve, thought provoking deep rap. If you HAD to compare the to NAS would definfently eat Jay Z's ass. Nas's lyrics on H to the homo were so tight cause he ate damn near everybody in Jay Z's camp in about 8 bars. Jay'z's the takeover was tight in its own right, but he has ALOT of filler in there, and ther are few deep rhymes in the song. So basically, when Stillmatic comes out, It will be No question as to who is the king of NY. But even though these niggas is feudin about being the best, the best battle rapper of all time is definently Tupac. Hit em' up has to be the most damaging battle rhyme ever produced. Tupac dissed an entire COAST in that song, with each line lyrically murdering one MC after another. And damn near nobody responded to that song. The only rapper that actually responded hard to hit em' up was none other than Chino XL. All these other rapper bithchin about being the best like Jay Z, Prodigy, Nas, etc. wern't sayin nuthin. So, If you haven't heard Chino XL's freestyle dissing tupac, I suggest you download it. So in summarry NAS is better than Jay Z, Chino XL is the most underrrated MC, and Tupac is the best of all time. One.

― Barry Rukes, Sunday, 16 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm assuming that after our terrible world trade incident Nas and Jay will both realize that their miniscule beef is nothing compared to the problems NYC is facing today. Even over the "American" bond they also share a "New York" bond as well. What you think?

― Kuizzy fa Shizzy, Sunday, 16 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Listen all dick heads. Ya Niggas is talkin mad shit not even thinking. Fuck Nas fuck Jay-z the nigga ya should be talking about is tha Fabolous. Fabolous album is 100 times better than the blueprints HoLLa Back at t

― Michael, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How come no one raised an eyebrow when Nas spit "...these niggaz is wrong using your name in vain and they claim to be New York's king" You know he was talking about Jay-z and this was awhile back on the I am album. I like Jigga's lyrics but why's he always mentioning Big and Pac in all of his songs now. He didn't even know Pac. As a matter of fact I think he tried spittin some sneaky shit about Pac in I love the dough.

― Smokey, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ya Niggaz is lame because Jigga and Nas Aint fucking wit FaBoLoUs

― FaBoLoUs, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that fabulous cd is garbage. jada wrecks.

― playbpoy, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jigga-blueprint- 41/2 mics in my opinion. i was a die hard fan of nas when illmatic came out, but he blatantly turned his back on his fans for sales. once you turn your back on your fans(especially in hip hop), you almost never get them back. he went for commercial appeal. he got the sales he wanted on his next album. by his 3rd(wack), his true hip hop fans were gone, and he became yesterdays news to everyone else. even when he put out a few bangers, niggas was hesitant to ride with him again. i'd about given up on him until he put out 'stillmatic'. but it will take more than that to make me buy another cd of his. i sincerely hope he takes it back to the streets though. and i don't mean the violence, i mean the cause. as for jay, many people won't agree but i think 'reasonable doubt' was just as commercial as most of his shit. tight-no doubt, but i think it was fairly consistant with the rest of his stuff. 'blueprint' is a definate standout though. only 41/2 because he's still a bit commercial for me. right now, jigga's king till someone proves otherwise. word for eternity---CONSISTENCE!!!!!

― D. Was, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh my ...

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

talk about jay z goin pop what the fuck has nas done? Beenie will eat nas, already ate jada. Don't fuck with the roc period. Jay Z has been around for a long ass time believe no one wants to battle Jay. Bleek is probably the weakest out of the roc and he's solid. Beans and Jay are the kings of the game right now. I honestly think that beans would hold his own or eat eminem in a cipher. The rocs hot no one can fuck wit their sales or there street appeal.

― zach gannis, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas is crazy out his mind. It started with "Hate me Now" and it just went south quick for him. His "FIRM" project with AZ and Foxy was a complete failure. His last two albums don't come close to his first two with hits such like "New York State of Mind" and "I Gave you Power" or even "Black Girl Lost." Jay-Z on the other hand is the illest. He's proven he can master any style. Look at his fukken resume: collabos with Dr. Dre to Mariah to Juvenile to UGK to Sauce Money to Snoop Dogg to JDupri to Too $hort. From "Ain't No Nigga" to "Sunshine" to "City is Mine" to "Can I Get a ..." to "Girl's Best Friend"to "S.Carter" to "Big Pimpin" to "HOVA." He can flow with anyone and can change styles with the best. He's earned the moniker "King of New York" by his works and his commercial sales. Are you kidding me? The beef can be traced back to even before Foxy Brown hooked up with Nas to form the FIRM, after Jay-Z basically made her and wrote half her rhymes. I think it's been long-standing that the two don't get along. Check "Life and Times of Sean Carter ... vol. 3" and listen to the song "Come and Get Me." The feud has been subtle until recently. "H to the izzo, M to the izzo" is clever. But, Nas has fallen a long time ago.

One

― Avenel Solano, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I respect y'all's opinion, but I disagree to the utmost. First of all, Pac is the Best. He gone and his new stuff is still tight. If u put out a brand new Easy-E song in 2001, it might be ok, but it won't be hot. Same for Biggie. But if you put out a Pac song, that we never heard, wit up to date beats, it'll be tight. Look at "Til the end of Time." He probably wrote that in 96' but it is still an "on the top song." Sure it is some nonsense songs on that last CD that he may not even have ever released, but there are also some "Plait" type songs too,(All out) that no rapper, past or present can match. Second, Pac perfected the art of rap beef. Come on, he called out everybody from, Bigge, Nas, Jigga, everybody. And not one of them responded. Yes, even your boy Jay. Now Hov gives a shout out to Pac. I respect that, but just admit that Pac had them people scared to respond. I know Puff doesn't go for that so BIG may have had no choice, but look at Nas and Jay, ain't say a word. Mobb came back at him and I'm not really a fan of them but I respect them because they took on the Jordan of Rap. Next, I need to note that the rappers with the best skills right now are, Jada, Jigga and Nas. There stuff makes you think. They are not like other rappers. Look at all the peeps who are out now that Pac is gone, str8 biting his style (Master P, Cash Money). But Jada, Jigga and Nas don't copy. And they don't spit nonsense like the rest (Luda and Nelly to name a few) Yeah they all may have put some stuff out that was a little less than "hardcore" But you gotta do that to sale. If every track is street, than you will get hardly no air play and/or no sales. This ain't the block where you gotta keep it 1 way or else you are a sell out. No, you gotta put out with the people gonna buy. So the fact that the 3 rappers at the top (in my opinion) are selling and still keeping it tight, without nonsense songs, (Shake it fast) because of that, you gotta give them their dues. Lastly, if you think Beans is better than J-A-D-A, you are trippin'. I just heard Jada's comeback... Jada won if you ask me, but Beans did better than I would have guessed. But how does Beanie figure that ROC has the belt. If you pull Jay-Z out, then ROC is a bunch of "okay" rappers. Beanie ain't put out a thing that is classic, and I doubt if he can. The Jay vs. Nas is too close to call. I would say Jay won because he says more, but his is a response. I think it is easier to respond to a diss than to come out first. Whoever does #2 got the upperhand. So it is too close for me to call, but please don't act like Nas got str8 up punked, cause that ain't true. Both of these people laid it down. Okay, that's it. R.I.P to those in the plane incident in D.C., PA, NY and to Aaliyah. Holla.--------------Qoolout

― QS/ Qoolout, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

lyrically, most are you are dead wrong. on that tip it goes to cats like mos def, ras kass, talib kweli, eminem, and pharoah monch to name a few. there are many other artists "lyrically" that bring some shit that will totally blow your mind. of course you probably won't hear most of them because they lack that commercial appeal. jigga is one who has come closest to mastering both worlds. in my opinion, big's 'i'm ready to die' reached the peak. he had everything you could ask for in a cd. + he was a heavyweight lyrically. i love pac to death, but i look at him as more an icon, a personality (on par with ali for boxing) in the rap game. he had a bigger impact than the rest. but i don't think any of his cds were absolute standouts compared to other top cds. by the way, jigga held his own in renegade, but eminem.....damn!

― DonWas, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i agree, who ever has the response diss will have the advantage on the person who put out the 1rst diss. I think neither Nas or Jigga are the kings of New York, but Jigga is the hottest rapper out now. I never thought that the ROC was holding it down. If you ask me, the Rawkus record label is the hottest label out right now. I think that Method Man's next album might knock out Jay-Z and Nas.

P.S. watchout for that Nigga named Royce da 5'9"

― Darth Marl, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Isn't there anyone who thinks that Tupac is a talentless fuck? Him and his bloody loungecore piano samples and pathetic attempts at making himself some sort of intellectual icon. He fits every stereotype about rap, the constant songs about loving his mama, and besides all this his Gangster posturing doesn't convince me at all. Also his voice is shit and he's pretentious moreso than most rappers and in a more irritating way.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

2Pac was in Digital Underground, which gives him a free cred card.

Beyond that, one reason he fits the stereotypes for gangsta rap so well is because he was one of the people used to cement them.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Shit, forgot to add that Pac's gangsta posturing was anything but posturing; read some more about his life and you'll see an intelligent person forced into a bad situation who was well on his way out of it when he was killed.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think either rapper is better. They are both on top. Like Jay said his self before, the greatest rappers are Biggie, Jay- Z, and Nas. They just need to drop it, and be cool again. Cause to me, it seems stupid to keep on rapping about killing another rapper, or doing harm to another rapper when you know your not going to do it. I feel that if they really want to be called one of the greatest rappers, they need to be the bigger people, and drop it. Maybe some rappers kept on going, but they could just drop it, and be cool. To me neither one of them are weak. They are both on top. All this beef ain't needed. I think if you need to prove anything to anyone. If someone questions you being the best, don't start a whole flow about killing them, just keep on doing your thing. Doing that will shut people up. To me no other rappers will touch Nas or Jay, thats the prediction, Holla back.

― Yatta, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

All you who think that NAS has fallen off, fuck that! ya his nastradamus album was disapointing, but lyrically he's best, you all know he can spit a hot verse. His still got it, and he's going to use what he's been saving, to shit on GAY-Z. And what the fuck was that song Gay-Z did at the end with his hidden track with "girls, girls" remix. What kind of fucking beat is that. Did he sample that from Sesame Street!? I guess he truly is Gay....Z Remember album sales don't mean shit. Theres a difference between HIP-HOP and HIP-POP and NAS is HIP-HOP.

― Larry Bird, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

gotta give it to donwas a few posts up ... mos def is a classic, lyrical visionary. and the others you mention are good too. but, this a debate about NAS and Jay-Z ... and the KING OF NEW YORK title. all this 2pac stuff is buggin me out. 2pac was great ... one of the greatest ... but he admittingly knew he wasn't the best rapper ever. it was his charisma and thug style what people loved. AND, from most accounts, JAY-Z WAS the first to call out Nas. so, he wasn't just responding. yes, jay-z shouts out 2pac with "the flows of all flows, not a demon, but a rose in the cement" and other lines. he also shouts out eminem and snoop dogg "until snoop crushed the building ... i'm trying to restore the feeling." JAY-Z respects and loves hip hop. remember the joint with AMIL and Jaz-o "Nigga what"? could Nas rhyme that fast? has Nas put out anything that can compare to "The World is Mine" or "Black Girl Lost" on his last two albums? his last two albums, he tried to commercialize and went for the "bling-bling" steez. jay-z still bumps hard core along with the booty dance mixes. his gansta stuff makes it into the mainstream "who ya with" and "watch me" with dr. dre. Nas will be forever remembered for "ILLMATIC" ... but Jay-Z really put hip hop into everyone's living room, everyone's car stereo, and still had thugz lovin it.

One.

― A.Sol, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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