This season is also the first time I've realized that Zoe Kravitz has some actual chops (I think I'd only ever seen her in genre stuff before this show). Everybody's tearing it up (except for Shailene Woodley, who's been okay but generally continues to elicit a big ol' 'IDGI' from me).
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:06 (one year ago) link
I like her a lot but mainly from her work in the Spectacular Now and the Descendants and not this. She had a decent scene with Streep this week.
Every week I hope they toss Streep out a window or something but doesn't look like that's going to happen.
― akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link
I can see Bonnie smothering her mother just to get caught and take the punishment.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:14 (one year ago) link
Streep's character is one of those people who makes me all like HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'VE BEHAVED LIKE THIS INTO YOUR DOTAGE WITHOUT PEOPLE BEATING THE EVERLOVING SHIT OUT OF YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS?!?
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:16 (one year ago) link
I'm liking Woodley this season. The scene where Jane confronts Mary Louise over coffee and the scene between Jane and Ziggy in his bedroom ("he salted you") both really got to me.
The acting from all 5 of them has been great
I love this show, and am enjoying this season as much as the first. I will be sad when it ends
― Dan S, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:20 (one year ago) link
Woodley is better this season than last, I'll grant you that.
― Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:27 (one year ago) link
i catch eps of this on occasion when my gf is watching, don't really love it tbh.
seeing in the credits a director credit for the excellent andrea arnold and created/produced by that hack david e kelley seemed v incongruous to me. not surprised there was some friction
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:35 (one year ago) link
streep is the most awful character ever in this tho, brava to meryl
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:37 (one year ago) link
I was enjoying this for a while but it's ending up feeling kind of unnecessary. They're dropping threads, too - I felt like they were setting up Ed to start something with Bonnie, and then it just...faded away. But Streep deserves her own Emmy category - Most Punchable.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:42 (one year ago) link
I don't think they were intending on doing anything with Ed and Bonnie other than giving him a way to be passive aggressive towards Madeline and wind up Nathan at the same time.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:42 (one year ago) link
Also for real Ed is like the Usain Bolt of passive aggression.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:43 (one year ago) link
I am still watching s2 but I am pretty disappointed. The behind the scenes story doesnt surprise me, the whole thing feels so off. The writing is my main gripe though bc it feels like such a first draft story. Or very rushed. All these random outbursts in place of earned drama, everyone’s yelling & slapping & crying it resembles fkn Dynasty more than the show itself. The depth to the characters is gone & they’re just doggy paddling in a circle around the death of peter & it’s dumb as shit.Big Little I Know What You Did Last Summer ugh
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:06 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Even the remixed theme tune is a slow bummer
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:13 (one year ago) link
I love that song
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:14 (one year ago) link
The proper version is great - local Muswell Hill boy makes good! the S2 version loses the drums and only primes me for an hour of drear
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:19 (one year ago) link
agree the proper version is better.
maybe the writing wasn't as strong but I thought the drama this season has made sense. I have enjoyed how much more somber and emotionally dark this has been than the first season
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:21 (one year ago) link
it could be so much better thoi mean, Laura Dern is amazing & i love seeing her character go nuclear & lose her shit, but in ~every~ scene? i dunno
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:36 (one year ago) link
lol I confess I have really enjoyed all of her scenes. to me she is the comic relief in the midst of all of the suppressed guilt and anger
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:47 (one year ago) link
Well, that wraps everything up, I guess.
― nickn, Monday, 22 July 2019 04:57 (one year ago) link
that was .... a giant wet fart of an ending. As much as I enjoyed watching laura dern smash shit up and meryl streep lose: the courtroom shit was absurd, no custody hearing goes like that; I love poorna jagannathan but she's obviously the worse lawyer on earth; everybody hates nathan; the stuff with zoe kravitz' mom never had any dramatic tension; what happened with reese witherspoon's daughter deciding not to go to college (also why is that actress in every single thing I watch all of a sudden?); and at the end what, did zoe decide to confess? did they all? why did they all? WTF?
*IF* this comes back they'd better figure out how they want to present the story and stick to it.
― akm, Monday, 22 July 2019 12:57 (one year ago) link
Yeah, this deflated really badly. I didn't want a second season and I am actively against the idea of a third.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 July 2019 13:52 (one year ago) link
i liked some of this season (ok maybe only meryl) but the finale was pretty bad
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 02:14 (one year ago) link
yep. shit loads of stuff dropped; what exactly are we to think of the non-stop Bonnie drowning scenes? Was that just supposed to be metaphor? if it was it was dumb, and if it was meant to foreshadow anything it didn't work either.
if this show comes back it should star ONLY Laura Dern yelling at people.
― akm, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 02:17 (one year ago) link
david e. kelley gonna david e. kelley
― adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 05:28 (one year ago) link
The euthanasia plot really took care of itself huh. And that judge really allowed herself to be interrupted for some monologues
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 07:33 (one year ago) link
The vow renewal was odd. It didn't seem like the show was suggesting we view it cynically, since it was presented as lovely and uplifting, yet the audience knows it's something of a fraud because Madeline never came clean to Ed about the cover up.
Except for popping up in the background of a few scenes, the detective didn't seem to really be still investigating at all. I thought that Mary Louis lash out in defeat by dropping some sort of new information with the detective rather than just slink away.
― blatherskite, Monday, 29 July 2019 18:38 (one year ago) link
honestly this show is just bad
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:43 (one year ago) link
I assumed that Madeline came clean to Ed offscreen. I mean you figure her confession to the police would probably get back to him.
― my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:45 (one year ago) link
The show wasn't mindblowing but my expectations were tempered from go and it was fine.
Y'all need to maybe see some legitimately bad tv or something, I think.
― my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:46 (one year ago) link
she didn't confess to the police?
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:46 (one year ago) link
― my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:51 (one year ago) link
I wasn't clear whether she did confess or just went with Bonnie out of solidarity or something. (Like, does that mean Celeste also came clean? Even though she just fought a big battle to keep her kids?) I figured they would have shown Madeline talking to Ed about it, since it seemed like a big conversation to have considering their whole plot was about trust, and that Ed would not have been particularly receptive to "So, I know you gave me all those chances to come clean, but let me slip one last thing in here..."
― blatherskite, Monday, 29 July 2019 18:57 (one year ago) link
bonnie didn't go with madeline to the police station?
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 19:06 (one year ago) link
i mean the other way around
like the text she sends "hey guys I'm confessing" happens at the time the ceremony is happening?
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 19:07 (one year ago) link
just seemed like a straight bit of dramatic irony "oh things are all happy and great with everyone (apart from bonnie)" oh no here comes this news to undercut it for all of them
didn't seem to me like things were happy and great for everyone, despite the resolution of some story lines. I thought the final scene of them going to the police station together to confess was the absolutely necessary ending, they needed to put all of the lies and related misery to rest
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:54 (one year ago) link
yeah these bitches needed to go to jail for killing that upstanding young man
― akm, Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:36 (one year ago) link
― Number None, Saturday, 10 August 2019 18:33 (one year ago) link
Won't read anything till I get through the rest, but I thought the first two episodes were fine--although I died a little when "Down by the River" was cut short after 30 seconds at the precise moment the volume should have been turned up.
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:38 (one year ago) link
Two episodes left. Streep is so creepy (Streepy?)--and definitely, at least in part, based on Kael.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 August 2019 21:32 (one year ago) link
I liked most all of the second season. The finale for me was probably the weakest episode--not terrible, but a little pat in spots, and Dern with the baseball bat seemed redundant (her rage had been made quite clear by that point). Kidman is such a great actress sometimes. Streep, Dern, Witherspoon, even Adam Scott I'd say, all excellent. Somebody posted something earlier about Arnold having control taken away from her...I don't doubt it, but I've liked/loved three of her movies, and this seemed to fit with her earlier work.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:38 (one year ago) link
finale was trash, the entirety of the courtroom stuff was a joke
every time nicole kidman insisted on what a good mother she was i was like... wellllll...
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 October 2019 23:22 (one year ago) link
Yeah! Obviously Streep was conniving and awful re: her son, but it's not like there wasn't cause for concern, from the pills to the slapping. (I haven't seen the show since it aired--did any character express more than a passing concern about all that? I mostly recall Witherspoon treating it like not that big of a deal.)
― blatherskite, Thursday, 3 October 2019 23:38 (one year ago) link
i thought i had no interest in this show (rich white people, parenting, women who snipe at each other) but i actually really thought it was good! i thought S2 gave Bonnie a lot more depth and her moments of intrusive memories were very realistic. I also identified with her aimlessly walking through the woods looking dour.
and lil Ziggy <3 i figured whoever wrote the screenplay (and maybe the original author) had read Far From the Tree, where there is a long and difficult-to-read chapter about children of rape.
anyway, i enjoyed both seasons in spite of my original misgivings. the theme song grew on me too.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:28 (one year ago) link
― treeship., Saturday, 12 September 2020 03:32 (four months ago) link
I find madeline very sympathetic, despite her flaws. Still in the middle of season 1.
― treeship., Saturday, 12 September 2020 03:37 (four months ago) link
I loved this series, both seasons, it wasn't perfect but in the end I wish I could find other tv shows that would mean as much to me
― Dan S, Saturday, 12 September 2020 04:04 (four months ago) link
i can’t believe i watched THE UNDOING in full
― maura, Monday, 30 November 2020 04:29 (one month ago) link