Right, exactly. Can you imagine any American regime treating Richard Spencer like Anwar al-Awlaki? I'm not calling for them to, I'm just asking, what's the difference between them? https://t.co/6IkEd04NzR— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) August 5, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 August 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link
In the wake of every spree shooting there are ten more aborted rants in my email drafts folder about how the problem is CCW permits, that uniquely American phenomenon. Racism and terrorism exist everywhere but only in the states— all 50 of them, thank you scotus— is it legal to carry concealed firearms.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 5 August 2019 12:46 (four years ago) link
Or carry openly, like here in Texas!
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 5 August 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link
So not to be one of those people, but has there been any further verification that Dayton shooter identified himself as a 'leftist' and a Warren backer? apparently on a twitter profile. Or is this some kind of right-wing disinfo that isn't getting any play in actual press?
― akm, Monday, 5 August 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
" Some good news: 8chan is now offline. At last." yeah their bot protection/CDN dropped them but presumably something somewhere is still hosting it. I think it's being DDOSed now.
― akm, Monday, 5 August 2019 13:39 (four years ago) link
nyt summarizing tweets:
President Trump on Monday called for Republicans and Democrats to work together to strengthen background checks for prospective gun buyers and proposed “marrying” new measures with new immigration laws — two of the most politically divisive issues facing lawmakers.
the gall
the fucking gall
― j., Monday, 5 August 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
That's what they like about him.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 August 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
His speech this morning is fine but I can’t imagine him actually following through on this.
― akm, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
His speech this morning is fine
No.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
"fine"
― sleeve, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
have we really sunk this low?
― sleeve, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
Yes.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
swift and decisive death penalty!
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
cages for brown ppl and the mentally ill
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
So destructive...
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
npr pundit pointing out how DJT called out white supremacy in his speech, finding it noteworthy because in the past he has “found it difficult” to do so.
*click*
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
Baby steps.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
that speech is nothing more than signaling there will be a poison pill regarding immigration attached to any gun control bill so he can blame the dems
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
The most credible thing that heavy dot com has produced is that the Greene County Board of Elections does list his party affiliation as Dem: https://greene.ohioboe.com/apps/vtrpolldetails.aspx?idnum=212004. Mainstream media is probably not reporting on this angle since there is no reason to believe that the shooting was politically motivated and so it doesn't seem particularly relevant; mainstream media OTM.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 5 August 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link
so Trump's stance pretty much seems to be "the manifesto was extremely good, but actually shooting people is bad"
― frogbs, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
That, and 'video games, fake news and poor mental hygiene are bad'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
Am I the only one even slightly surprised that the El Paso shooter was taken with NO SHOTS FIRED BY COPS when others of us get straight up murdered just for opening a car door too fast?? Or are we all just used to this shit by now?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
On the face of it the speech was fine; he made several points I completely agree with. The issue is that it was hypocritical coming from him, given that he regularly signal boosts online hate himself. Which works to our favor and his detriment. Also, even hinting that he supports background checks won't play well with his base (and if it does, then great; I'd love for them all to support background checks). Not sure how well his blaming video games will play with a lot of his base either for that matter. The old ones, yes; the younger ones?
― akm, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
calling for swift, decisive punishment by death not ok
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 5 August 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
xp yeah there's a lil thing called ethos
― j., Monday, 5 August 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
On the face of it the speech was fine
he got one of the cities wrong, said a whole bunch of bullshit, and blamed both video games and bipartisanship for massacres
(sic is making a joke because you wrote dfag instead of dgaf)
I wasn't joking! and got much more confused trying to parse this explanation in context: anyway sic I am saying that if I had a son I would say nope I don't think that's healthy, play FIFA or your guitar or jerk off instead
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
but hey, he remembered not to congratulate
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
sic I was simply saying that if I had a son I wouldn't let him play FPS games, and he would probably end up hating me
— dfag
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 5 August 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
I know now, I was still trying to figure out dfag from that explanation before Andrew's post. Our office regrets the error.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 5 August 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
feel like Trump's immediate policy reaction is trying to package gun control in with an immigration poison pill should have been a bigger story
― frogbs, Monday, 5 August 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
Also, I imagine his definition of a white supremacist is pretty narrow. Wafer thin.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Hey so I just saw a story about how the Dayton shooter kept a kill list and a rape list in high school so just spitballing here but maybe patriarchal violence is a problem.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 5 August 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
the most insane part of that story for me was perhaps what i understood to be the fact that he was allowed to remain at the school?
― omar little, Monday, 5 August 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/dayton-shooter-pornogrind-band
Great, heavy metal is to blame
"The band's song titles are explicitly sexually violent, such as "Preteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter" and "Cunt Stuffed With Medical Waste - Sexual Abuse Of A Teenage Corpse." "
― akm, Monday, 5 August 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
Pornogrind is a subgenre of a fast and extreme kind of heavy metal called grindcore, which is known for its mostly dark, satirical themes of sexual violence and gore delivered for shock value.
beside the point but can anyone at buzzfeed news write
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link
The legacy of Anal Cunt lives on.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link
As a metalhead, i get more and more concerned about alt right presence in the genre. Far right fans are hardly something new, but the dude from Pyrexia was also disturbed. At least his body count was low.
― i'd rather zing like a man, than FP like a coward (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, August 5, 2019 12:16 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
Was bummed when I saw that one of the Sunn O))) guys let white power bands run ads in his zine in the '90s... but wasn't very surprised.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
https://newsone.com/3883585/dayton-shooter-killed-sister/
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
I may have pumped my fist once or twice while reading this
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/god-has-heard-your-thoughts-and-prayers-and-he-thinks-they-are-fucking-bullshit?fbclid=IwAR1eHHFcPui_Z7k_38XLRMG2jBREe4Gm2j7CjIrXEiBulSnMOyaIiMbG93c
― Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
xp to a post far above about 8chan shutting down: I don't think shutting sites like 8chan down is a great answer. Maybe when they get to a certain size it's a good idea to break it up like an angry mob on the verge of a riot, but the downside is that unlike a terror org based on the other side of the world where language and ethnicity is a barrier, these boards are out in the open and pretty easy for anybody to monitor. I don't know why law enforcement wouldn't already be doing what many reporters are already doing, and camping out on these boards (and chat rooms) to study them and to try to understand and mitigate acts of violence. I know I've read that LEA has obtained IP records from popular image boards in the past, directly from the site owners. In a way these boards are a gift to LEA.
― beard papa, Monday, 5 August 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
I mean, I can only speak for myself but I’m more surprised that they killed the Dayton shooter
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
the feds absolutely monitor those boards but i wouldn't trust them to actually be good at it
― ciderpress, Monday, 5 August 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
yeah, has that monitoring actually prevented anything yet?
― rob, Monday, 5 August 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link
the benefit of 8chan getting shut down as an organizing platform is more valuable than whatever intel u might crib from it
― Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-activist-rakem-balogun-may-be-first-targeted-under-fbis-new-black-identity-extremist-threat-label-11705688
Let's be real, the FBI doesn't put white supremacists high on its list of targets.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
8chanclid=IwAR1eHHFcPui_Z7k_38XLRMG2jBREe4Gm2j7CjIrXEiBulSnMOyaIiMbG93c
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:47 (four years ago) link
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― j., Monday, 5 August 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link
Oh great, sic copycats
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link