Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

Gotta teach the controversy.

developing: https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_cae700c4-b86c-11e9-9f27-dff771536d92.html

looks like a pair of good guys with guns got in an argument and then a bystander got shot.

"Thank God this wasn’t anything near what happened in El Paso only a small gunfight in a crowded store."

Also, how much of a "good guy with a gun" are you gonna be if you fire multiple shots at a nearby target and don't hit him at all?

well it's a good guy with a gun, not a good guy who's good with a gun

Oh great, sic copycats

If you published bogus news/ads like this in a newspaper you could be prosecuted. Facebook used it to make $3.7B in Australia in 2018. Incredible. pic.twitter.com/utp63gjKeK

— Dan Ziffer (@danziffer) August 6, 2019

in the same year, the only remaining non-Murdoch daily newspaper publisher got sold to a commercial TV station for 2 billion. facebook is not less dangerous than 8chan.

"I see CNN is running with the "Dayton shooter had extreme left Twitter feed" story"

lasted about half a day (in real news; of course I'm sure Trumptards on social media are beating it to death). IMO it only underscores the need for more gun control. Fuck if it makes them support gun control then who cares. Anyway, in this case I don't see how his political inclinations are indicative of anything since he didn't leave behind some antifa manifesto or something, unlike the el paso shooter.

I've been seeing he killed his sister for dating a black man, so leftist shmeftist, he's a righty.

At least in the news one link that was posted itt, that was based entirely on someone on twitter theorizing that’s why he might’ve done it. Did something of substance come out since then?

I think I saw it on a news report as well, but they may have been running with the rumor. His sister was killed there, so if not that's a hell of a coincidence.

But I don't see it anywhere except as speculation, so maybe not.

He just doesn’t seem very comforting pic.twitter.com/5LLUoh6OUN

— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) August 7, 2019

Save that shit for the trump c/d thread

going for that "shit eating gargoyle" look that he does so well

this dumb fuck and his staff are freaking out that Sherrod Brown 'mischaracterized' the visit to the hospital when Brown actually said nothing but complimentary shit. I get it when Trump is fucking wrong and lying about these things but it's a bit weird to see his staff go all in on something completely, demonstrably false.

what am I saying, that's not weird at all. sorry.

yeah Sherrod Brown seemed to be the only guy who was actually positive about Trump Being There.

These maps are incredible https://t.co/zJkdXKuVSO

— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) August 7, 2019

good thing the number of gun owners has been trending down. bad news is they own more guns than ever.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/08/friends-say-dayton-shooters-slain-sibling-transgender-man/

Cofer was one of the first victims shot during his brother’s murderous rampage. Police aren’t sure whether Betts intended to kill him or if Cofer was attempting to stop the carnage as it started. The two had traveled together with Cofer’s boyfriend to the neighborhood where the attack occurred without warning.

https://www.advocate.com/news/2019/8/07/report-sibling-killed-dayton-shooting-was-trans-man-jordan-cofer

Okay wow.

strange.

Dayton shooter was with his best friend who presumably has started talking to police (he was also shot); I assume he's the only person who is going to be able to give any indication of what might have been going on just before this happened. But maybe he doesn't know either.

I have it on good authority that he was actually Antifa

not a shooting spree, but:

A man in his 20s, outfitted with weapons, body armor, military-style fatigues and more than 100 rounds of ammunition, was arrested Thursday after causing a mass panic at a Walmart in Missouri.

According to local CNN affiliate KYTV, no shots were fired but the man was filming himself walking around the store with his phone.

A manager pulled the fire alarm to evacuate the store, and an off-duty firefighter detained the man until police arrived.

“All we know is the fact that he walked in here heavily armed with body armor on, in military fatigues and caused a great amount of panic inside the store. So he certainly had the capability the potential to harm people,” Springfield police lieutenant Mike Lucas told KYTV. “And then obviously what’s happened in Texas and Dayton and all that kind of stuff in the last seven days — that’s on everybody’s mind.”

The shooting massacre in El Paso took place at a Walmart store.

and as a subscriber-only TPM article that i will lightly googleproof rightly points out, what is fucked up is that the whole incident was probably legal, at least in missouri:

A man in his twenties with weapons, body armor, more than a hundred r0unds of ammunition and army fatigues was arrested at a Missouri Walmart yesterday, apparently for making ‘terroristic threats’. He had gone into the W4lmart and basically just walked around and filmed people fleeing in fear with his iPhone. Local po1ice seem to have made the decision that these acts in themselves constituted terroristic threats. 1t’s not clear he said anything or pointed his weapons at anyone. Needless to say that seems like a pretty reasonable deduction. But what is important to n0te is that in many states in the country – including Missouri – it is not clear what law he was breaking.

Many states now allow open carry of 1ong guns. You can carry ammunition and 1 don’t think there are laws against appearing in public in body armor. Indeed, there is a whole subculture of gun activists who go into big box stores and diners and other public places openly c4rrying long guns as a sort of pro-gun performance art.

my parents (from MO) came to visit me a few months ago in chicago. we were having lunch in some university building, and as we walked in my dad suddenly muttered something about "the laws here" and walked back to his car. turned out he was packing heat and was mad that guns weren't allowed in the building.

i am so tired of these dumb motherfuckers

tmi but a few weeks ago some shit went down, and if i would have had a gun in my house there's a good chance i'd be dead right now.

just ban the fucking second amendment, idiots

very glad there wasn’t a gun in your house, love you man

Karl <3 keep livin we love you

ditto

love you too BG, and things have been ok the last week! it's just like, even apart the constant torrent of mass shootings and run of the mill shootings and accidental shootings, it's not smart to make it so easy to commit suicide. ~22K people die by firearm suicide per year in the US! it's fucking crazy. and i'm sure some of those people would use other means if guns weren't readily available. but most wouldn't, i don't think. in those moments, it goes something like this: run the car into a telephone pole? but what if that doesn't work and i just get paralyzed? jump off a bridge? same deal, and which bridge? do the carbon monoxide tube into the car thing? but home depot isn't open at 2 am, and what if i fuck that up? garage? but whose garage? i don't have one, and i don't want to involve someone else in this. elliott smith style? fuck no. etc. but a gun. that is one of the few options that could plausibly be right there, readily available, and if you really want to do it, it'll work. and even if you don't have a gun, one of your friends probably does. or, if you're a kid, maybe your dad does.

just ban the second amendment and make guns something you can rent for 2 hours at a time at a shitty gun shooting range in the middle of nowhere. if it has to involve animals, breed a bunch of deer and put them in a 200-acre plot of land so doofus mcGunface can go out there and kill Bambi so he doesn't have to face the fact that his spouse doesn't enjoy having sex with him anymore. just get them out of everyone's nightstand drawers and out of the hands of these overcompensating fucking losers standing guard in Wal-Mart with body armor on. this country is fucking insane

this is my new campaign platform. please vote for me for assistant lieutenant treasurer for the subcommittee for administrative process review, district 19, sub-block A6

I guess this should be expected, because Texas, but yesterday afternoon during rush hour there was a fatal shooting (two dead) involving an AR-15 on I-10 in East Houston. Many here are upset this morning because news reports have praised a "Good Samaritan" who fired at the shooter (who's still at large, BTW).

"occasionally one of my cancer cells destroys another cancer cell, so by the immutable & inarguable laws of logic I need more cancer cells in order to beat cancer"

I increasingly want guns in my house. AR-15s, whatever. I want them because I am sincerely afraid of the right in this country. They believe that if we the government were to take away their guns, they would be oppressed under a tyrannical state. Boots, snakes, etc. We wouldn't, of course because that's not remotely who we fucking are and has nothing to do with what we want to do for this country. But I'm increasingly of the opinion that's exactly who they are and they are projecting their own intentions onto us. And if that's who they are, then at this point it's probably far too late for us to start stockpiling guns of our own. Are the signs not there? Am I just paranoid?

But I don't buy weapons for my house. I don't want the risk of what could happen if my wife got too drunk and started reliving bad memories. Or if my son had a tough year as a teenager and got really angry at someone. Or if someone were to burglarize us and steal them.

It's just like, I feel like every day I'm growing more seriously worried about paragraph 1. Does anyone else feel like this?

I don't think you're wholly being paranoid but I'm entirely positive that owning guns is primarily a source of needless risk to the gun owner. Rely on your instincts in paragraph 2.

maybe we don't need to ban guns, just mandate that they all look like dildos or something. let's see how cool you look with a 40" dildo strapped to your back.

It’s felt obvious to me for a long time that the actual reason gun nuts stockpile guns is to eventually participate in a genocide.

Oh sorry, I mean a “zombie apocalypse scenario”—you know, those uncivilized, incomprehensible, ravenous, non-English-speaking zombies that are coming for our families

On the lighter side, Lana Del Rey has just released a benefit single for the victims of Gilroy, El Paso, and Dayton.

good news, tremendous progress!

WASHINGTON — The time is now for lawmakers to come together and pass new laws for “meaningful” background checks on gun purchasers, Mr. Trump said Friday as he left the White House for a political fund-raiser in Southampton, N.Y., followed by a vacation at his golf club in New Jersey.

Less than a week after mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, left 31 people dead, Mr. Trump said there was “tremendous” support for “really common-sense sensible, important background checks.”

The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, was “on board,” Mr. Trump said. And the gun lobby, which in the past has been effective in resisting such measures, would “get there.”

"we'll see what happens"

The organization [NRA] has succeeded in the past in convincing Mr. Trump to abandon certain gun control efforts. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. McConnell have opposed legislation to expand background checks, including a bill the House passed earlier this year.

So, why now?

“Time goes by,” Mr. Trump said. “I think I have a greater influence now over the Senate and over the House.”

excuse me.

excuse me for just a moment.

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ok, i'm good

Does anyone else feel like this?

The It Could Happen Here podcast series didn't seem farfetched to me.

The rhetoric of the American right wing looks like other preludes to civil conflict. You've seen the inflammatory NRA ads. Right wingers "joking" about exterminating liberals are not isolated incidents. There may only be a few million in that extreme camp, but that's enough to shut down the nation for a years-long insurgency.

With the right wing regularly alleging voting fraud, with Trump insiders like Michael Cohen talking openly about the likelihood of Trump refusing to abide by 2020 election results, I fear winter 2020-21 may be precarious.

The only thing that saves us: our leaders are too fucking stupid to realize their grandest fascist schemes.

at least one of em

You don't have to be smart. You just have to give your followers license.

if a population is increasingly armed as 1. percentage of population 2. lethality and quantity of weapons/ammo, it seems like a social/governmental refusal to actively DISARM (that is to actually require relinquishment or siezure of them) would eventually reach a tipping point? at that point, uncontrolled armed conflicts, then resolution, and enforced disarmament by any number of schemes. reality never goes as smoothly as idle thought like this, though.

i guess i think that it might be possible to limit continuing sales and distribution into general population, but with the amount of stuff out there, i'm not so convinced that it would stop crazy randos from crazy rando-ing periodically. from a practical intervention standpoint, i think ppl wanting to get faster control should focus on licensing, limiting, and seizing ALL ammo. like taking it away. all of it. the argument that ammo is not addressed by constitutional language seems light, but the argument for individual rights to bear arms is no stronger imo, might as well run it hard and take that shit.

everything else has failed, but America should really get behind a Repeal The 2nd Amendment Because ZS movement. this is our tipping point

it's not that i disagree with a repeal or significant alteration in 2nd, but i do think a stable survivable pluralistic society can be worked out of the language that exists- it's mostly NRA-style shit and white terror that could prevent it. correction: that is violently deadset on preventing it.

also amendment process is...not good as currently aligned. seems like many founders wanted easier modification, but many also wanted some super shitty mods. so parse that accordingly.

You don't have to be smart. You just have to give your followers license.

otm

maybe if we go to space we can exploit the need to make special space laws for space guns