Put down the callipers pls
― gyac, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
butt problems were a go to for me at various horrible jobs ... no one wants details of your butt problems.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
Starbucks should close at like 11am every day
― brimstead, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
Promising thread titles that turn out not to be about jazz
― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 August 2019 10:09 (four years ago) link
Be the change you want to see on ILM.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 10:23 (four years ago) link
you were a gaffer on the weakest link?
― triple-washed (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 August 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
you're right, we need more literature fans
― imago, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
lmao
should i say here or in the other thread that i haven't even read toni morrison myself (nothing on her i just don't read much literature)
― marcos, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
sometimes w/ this sort of thing it's a little bit a lot of ppl feeling they need to chime in even tho they have nothing to say and i'd almost prefer ilx not say much if it has nothing worthwhile to add
― Mordy, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
the point is not that we need to gin up response to events outside our experience but that the community's homogeneity is showing and it's part of the reason why the petri dish is souring a bit
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
we need some racist alt-right gun nuts on ilx ...?
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link
though i do wish we had threads for shows like Insecure and Dear White People ...
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
should i say here or in the other thread that i haven't even read toni morrison myself
Never read anything of hers either. I admire her attitude toward her own work — basically, "I know who I'm writing for, and if anyone else wants to read it, that's fine" — and figure I'll get around to her eventually.
On the other hand, I tried listening to a David Berman song last night on YouTube and stopped after 90 seconds or so - it just did absolutely nothing for me. People who like what he did are seeking something from music that I am not, and that's fine. There's a whole world of things that are Not For Me.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
There's a whole world of things that are Not For Me.
Pretty much. As a general rule, I have little affinity for writers who are in it to tell stories or who wholeheartedly embrace language. It's not a value judgement – their work simply doesn't resonate with me.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:32 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ya this is it
― marcos, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
how does a writer not wholeheartedly embrace language"? Are there examples of those who don't?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
Sam Beckett: 'Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness.'
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
Becket wholeheartedly embraces language, whether in Murphy or The Unnameable. I'm not sure we're using the adverb and the noun it modifies in the same way, lol
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
That he does so reluctantly is a fairly uncontroversial statement.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link
That's judging his intentions, which have no interest in doing. Spare prose bespeaks an embrace of language.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
i.e. you love English/French enough to respect minimalism.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
No, it stems from the prose itself. The terror-stricken struggle with language is there at every step.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
He speaks of writing as an 'obligation' to express.
fwiw I always got him confused with that comedian
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
Yeah, but Beckett was "performing" "Samuel Beckett" in a lot of his writing. Remember, his early stuff was super-Joycean and positively besotted with word-power and language's expressive capability. His later, minimal stuff was a reaction, and he fully understood the absurdity of what he was trying to do.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
Hm. I understand your point now, but I know few writers for whom a struggle with language wasn't a terror!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
*AHEM*Issa Ray's "Insecure" HBO show
I am bummed no one posts on that thread but me tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link
most thread here could be titled Insecure and Dear White People imo
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
lol
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
*clink*
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
I didn't post about TM because it's like leaving a scribbled note at the foot of a mountain and besides I don't feel qualified (short version: I'm insecure and white). Then I dribbled some inadequate bollocks on the thread and am thinking I'll stick with my insecurity from now on.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
All writers perform 'themselves' on some level (and Beckett was more aware of this than most, as evidenced by the never-ending authorial chain in The Unnamable, for instance), but his early stuff is already shot through with 'great black pauses', as he says with reference to Beethoven's 7th. Its stylistic lavishness often comes across as a front, which is almost never the case in Joyce's writings.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
Btw Alfred, you're certainly right to point out that a difficult relationship with language isn't necessarily indicative of terror or torture or tortuousness, etc. Conversely, some writers claim to loathe the ease with which they write. Whether this is made manifest in the prose (or poetry) itself varies from author to author, but I would argue that in Beckett's case it most certainly is (that said, the opposite argument has been made, and I don't think it unpersuasive!).
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
fair enough! That makes sense.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
think yer all wrong and prob wilfully so but cba needling the winkle out of the shell
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
Conversely, some writers claim to loathe the ease with which they write
aaaaaah screw these people!
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
black, white, purple
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
cosign
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
most threads here could be titled "aaaaaah screw these people!"
― sarahell, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili),
John Updike is dead!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
Who are these writers that curse themselves for writing too easily? Damn their eyes.
“No it is not easy to write. It is as hard as breaking rocks. Sparks and splinters fly like shattered steel” Clarice Lispector.
Oh yeah, Updike. I imagine Paul Theroux is another.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:25 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah but with updike you could really tell writing came easily
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
Trump calls the El Paso gunman a “coward” while speaking to local law enforcement. “He gave up, just gave up."— Claudia Koerner (@ClaudiaKoerner) August 7, 2019
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
cannot
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 August 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
Re:writers and language, it makes me think of Nabokov's commentary on Lolita where he's like, "btw, I could have written this soooo much better in Russian," when most writers in English would kill to be able to write like Nabokov.
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 8 August 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
https://am14.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2019/08/Twitter-Recoils-at-WH-Photo-Op-of-Trump-Posing-with-El-Paso-Orphan.jpg
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
Wow, this inspired poll idea is just what ILM needed!
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
lol speaking of petri dishes going sour
― cheese canopy (map), Saturday, 10 August 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
jesus u rly are just the american _____ arent u
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
he's coming to your boardwith his righteous swordhe's the american ____________________
― sarahell, Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link