Purple Mountains (RIP David Berman, August 2019)

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*2005 interview

... (Eazy), Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:49 (eleven months ago) link

I wonder if he reached out to, or reconciled with, his dad in some way before the end. I can’t help but think about his dad losing his son.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Thursday, 8 August 2019 03:34 (eleven months ago) link

oh no, just seen this. that’s terrible. fuck. all those wonderful lyrics.

Fizzles, Thursday, 8 August 2019 03:50 (eleven months ago) link

goddam it’s so sad.

Fizzles, Thursday, 8 August 2019 03:54 (eleven months ago) link

This is a tough one. Sometimes as I get older I feel an impulse to accept people's suicides, like "Maybe it's ok if someone doesn't want to be alive anymore." But when someone who continued to write so beautifully until the end somehow "doesn't want to be alive anymore" it's especially hard to accept and leaves me at a loss. I guess he suffered a lot and the suffering wouldn't end for him, and nothing about writing beautifully changed that.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 8 August 2019 04:13 (eleven months ago) link

Heartbroken pic.twitter.com/DuEmHrd1l4

— 3 Songs Podcast (@3songspod) August 8, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 August 2019 04:43 (eleven months ago) link

i rewatched the Slow Century the other night, on a lark. it's all on YouTube.

Berman's in the background of all that old footage.

also, Bob is just the best.

Bob, DCB and SM forevah

alpine static, Thursday, 8 August 2019 05:04 (eleven months ago) link

This is devastating

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 August 2019 05:49 (eleven months ago) link

Beneath the bitching and the bickering
When I try to drown my thoughts in gin
I find my worst ideas know how to swim

RIP David Berman.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 8 August 2019 06:02 (eleven months ago) link

this is bad :(

i felt like with this new Purple Mountains album he was on his way to become 'our' Leonard Cohen.

Ludo, Thursday, 8 August 2019 06:29 (eleven months ago) link

It is a certain hill
the one I imagine when I hear the word "hill"
and if the apocalypse turns out
to be a world-wide nervous breakdown
if our five billion minds collapse at once
well I'd call that a surprise ending
and this hill would still be beautiful
a place I wouldn't mind dying
alone or with you.

tashted the milk of human kindnesh - an' it's a lot of Fermillac (fionnland), Thursday, 8 August 2019 07:29 (eleven months ago) link

man this is terrible :(

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 8 August 2019 07:44 (eleven months ago) link

Oh no. :(

RIP.

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 07:45 (eleven months ago) link

I've never really engaged with his work or been particularly motivated to do so, but I'm listening to the Purple Mountains album now and realising I was wrong in that. RIP.

Matt DC, Thursday, 8 August 2019 07:51 (eleven months ago) link

RIP

I visited Philadelphia earlier this year and saw the American Water building across the Delaware, which immediately made me think of Berman and that fantastic album. Totally inconsequential but the kind of humdrum revelation that he seemed to be able to capture in his lyrics.

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Thursday, 8 August 2019 07:55 (eleven months ago) link

Fuck. Fuck. This really, really hurts.

I feel so grateful for the art he created. His music touched a rarely accessible place in my soul; the way he combined humour, melancholy, truth....his storytelling...while having a distinct, original artistic voice. All of the things I most look for and value about art can be found consistently throughout his work. And his new album...just, one of those records that came along when I was starting to doubt whether music could have the kind of impact on me that it once did, and reminded me that the old feeling is still possible.

He had more knockout couplets and one-liners than any other lyricist I can think of. His lyrics are a constant part of my internal monologue. Like sometimes I'll think of a random Jews lyric and just smile. Thank you, David.

triggercut, Thursday, 8 August 2019 09:24 (eleven months ago) link

Ah christ - that's some horrible news to wake to. The P in RIP never made so much sense.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 August 2019 09:52 (eleven months ago) link

Nastanovich’s quote in the pitchfork rememberances really hits home:

It was enlightening to have such a talented friend at a young age and realize that the talent wasn’t always a blessing.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 August 2019 10:00 (eleven months ago) link

real mc recognize real mc

rest in peace to the great David Berman 😞

— el-p (@therealelp) August 8, 2019

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 August 2019 12:38 (eleven months ago) link

I have no words for this, really. I was going to see him play on Monday, and was looking forward to it, having never gotten a chance to catch the joos. I'd been listening to the new album a ton since it came out. I don't know if I can listen to it again for a while.

Auld Drink of Misery (zchyrs), Thursday, 8 August 2019 12:46 (eleven months ago) link

The dead know what they are doing when they leave this world behind.

From Nights That Won't Happen

A little spooky, as if he had planned it in advance...

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:00 (eleven months ago) link

Definitely. The whole song comes off as foreboding in hindsight:

And as much as we might like to seize the reel and hit rewind
Or quicken our pursuit of what we're guaranteed to find
When the dying's finally done and the suffering subsides
All the suffering gets done by the ones we leave behind
All the suffering gets done by the ones we leave behind

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:02 (eleven months ago) link

Some of the heaviest lyrics on the album, for sure. I hadn't really fully finished processing a lot of parts of the record (and now it will probably be a very long time before I return to it, if ever), but up until yesterday I'd bean hearing those lyrics as an argument against suicide, an indictment of it from someone who'd been there and only in hindsight understands the magnitude & consequences. Now I feel like a dope for thinking that, like I was grafting an optimistic reading onto it to make myself feel good. I dunno. Today that verse just reads like a blunt statement of fact. Awful.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:13 (eleven months ago) link

I went through the exact same process.

pomenitul, Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:14 (eleven months ago) link

Just miserable at this news. My favourite living songwriter, and now he isn't. Sound-magic & richness of all those lyrics. So many ways of being brilliant.

I'd been treating it as an out-the-other-side album, but it wasn't, obviously. Peace to you, DB.

woof, Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:30 (eleven months ago) link

I listened to Purple Mountains for the first time this morning. I hadn't realized the whole thing was on Spotify yet. I had heard Margaritas at the Mall first and kinda waved it off. I wasn't really ready to hunker down with David Berman in the excitement of early summer. Oh my god, what a record.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:44 (eleven months ago) link

I never listened to his shit, as WORDS WORDS WORDS is not really my preference… but I hung out with him 2 or 3 times, and found him to be very engaging, not in the least sadsack… at the time, I very much hated my boss, and when I was introduced to him and I told him where I worked, he asked me why my boss is such a asshole, and launched into a diatribe about how unpleasant she was…he and got along great afterwards…

veronica moser, Thursday, 8 August 2019 13:50 (eleven months ago) link

I hadn't taken the time with the Purple Mountains record until now, sadly, and fuck, it's good. It has some of his best lyrics ever. It has cringey moments too, the way a suicidal person's self-pity often does, where you just want to scream "No! You don't have to see things that way!" but you know that something in their chemistry or their soul just makes it that they can't help it. But the best moments are so good.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 8 August 2019 14:12 (eleven months ago) link

And yeah, the suicide note aspects are all over it, sadly. He's pretty frank and straightforward about how he came to feel about his life and it's gut-wrenching.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 8 August 2019 14:19 (eleven months ago) link

why can't monsters
get along with other monsters?

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 August 2019 14:28 (eleven months ago) link

joining the chorus of people really devastated by this news last night. in a way that no artist/musician passing has hit me since i was 18 or 19.

one of the greatest nights of my life was out-of-nowhere getting guest-listed into the first silver jews tour at 40 watt in athens, while in town on tour for a single night...and just being awash in how great it was. thanks for that, dcb.

dronestreet, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:03 (eleven months ago) link

God he was funny

From a David Berman interview I did in 2001. "I don’t expect to be insulted by being told Ryan Adams in the best songwriter in America. Maybe mid-period Steve Forbert B sides sound fresh to some ears. It's just self-pity in rock. These people have no compassion for anybody."

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:11 (eleven months ago) link

watched the Israel doc which is on YouTube last night, been putting it off for The Right Time and obviously, well, cried and cried and cried

Clay, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:17 (eleven months ago) link

I've never even heard of Steve Forbert before, but just looking at his album covers and song titles that sounds OTM

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:17 (eleven months ago) link

he is also otm about ryan adams and seems like a very compassionate person in addition to being funny and clever and gifted with sight & the ability to translate the seeing into words for us to enjoy :(

i like when someone can be amusing without being mean and he never seemed mean to me. his father was so mean & cruel that i think it made him aggressively the opposite, afaict. selfish wrt self-destructive habits, but kind at heart? is this accurate?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:18 (eleven months ago) link

He strikes me as a guy who possessed a high level of empathy and sensitivity and I think when faced with a brazen and smug lack of empathy (let alone in one’s own family) it can be extremely painful. Everything I’ve read about his father suggests that’s the type of person he is.

omar little, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:24 (eleven months ago) link

people that knew him seem to speak affectionately of him

Ryan Adams is so thoroughly phony and full of shit, I can imagine it rankled someone who seemed to try to look life in the eye

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:25 (eleven months ago) link

i totally understand that about him, that is why i was asking to confirm. i don't know the guy personally and there is something about his relationship with his (legitimately terrible) father that struck a nerve w me when i heard it years ago. when one's father is so awful and one is so sensitive, how does one cope? it's a very lonely feeling. idk if he had siblings or not, or if they felt the same way.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:27 (eleven months ago) link

I remember seeing an interview with the surviving members of joy division where they said they never paid much attention ian curtis' lyrics. Then he killed himself and they realized how much of his suffering was laid bare in those lyrics.
I'm having a similar moment listening to the purple mountains album this morning.

Just in the first minute of the first song:
"the life I lead is sickening / i spent a decade playing chicken with oblivion
day to day i'm neck and neck with giving in / i'm the same old wreck i've always been"

enochroot, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:32 (eleven months ago) link

awful awful news. Back in ‘98, I remember seeing how the spine of the American Water CD mimicked the old Bob Dylan style and laughing at the chutzpah of that move – and then listening to the record over and over and thinking … “Well, fair enough.” I’m thinking now of seeing him play about a decade ago in Denver. When the last song was over, he didn’t go backstage. He hopped down and walked through the crowd, shaking hands and grinning, before cruising out into the Colfax night.

tylerw, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:33 (eleven months ago) link

I don't even really care about Ryan Adams but I hated the sort of "Ryan Adams culture" that existed at his peak, this weird, phony, cold, music-critic driven rockism that felt like a bunch of desperate paleontologists dusting off rocks and bones to find something "real." A certain kind of doucheyness that is not a jock doucheyness but the guy-who-resented-the-jock-in-high-school doucheyness and thinks that the resentment = victimhood = entitlement.

I never met David Berman but he definitely seemed in his public persona and music like the opposite of that, a kind person who was really afraid he wasn't kind enough, a person driven by shame that he never did anything to deserve, who couldn't believe that he was good enough.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:37 (eleven months ago) link

him, jason molina, vic chestnutt - a whole generation of great songwriters already gone.

Heez, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:42 (eleven months ago) link

Elliott Smith, too...

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:48 (eleven months ago) link

yeah i thought about "farewell transmission" last night

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:49 (eleven months ago) link

i'm crushed, too, but ... i mean there are lots of great songwriters in that generation still around!

alpine static, Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:50 (eleven months ago) link

I'm assembling people to read from David Berman's work outside of the Met Breuer (former location of the Whitney) as an informal memorial gesture. 7pm Thurs Aug 7th. Please spread the word, let me know if you would like to read anything, and check on your friends. #DavidBerman pic.twitter.com/3QiAz2yzqB

— Lance Bangs (@lancebangs) August 8, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:58 (eleven months ago) link

(sic: tonight, Aug 8th)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 August 2019 15:58 (eleven months ago) link

I'd been treating it as an out-the-other-side album, but it wasn't, obviously. Peace to you, DB.

― woof, Thursday, August 8, 2019 9:30 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah it's really painful to realize he wasn't reflecting on past struggles.

Evan, Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:16 (eleven months ago) link

Just want to point out that from those recent interviews posted above, it sounds like he was still in touch with his dad, who paid for his treatment etc. I also don’t recall him saying that his dad was a bad father (other than a story about his dad being competitive when they played board games, and “he wasn’t even sorry!” when he beat young David at Sorry).

I know that DCB made his shame & hatred of his father’s professional life a structuring part of his own “story,” but I wouldn’t assume that his bad relationship with his father was a two-way street, or that his dad didn’t love him or somehow caused David’s pain through bad parenting.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:18 (eleven months ago) link

As a closing couplet, "If no one's fond of fucking me/Maybe no one's fucking fond of me" is a pretty great/sad/hilarious/heartbreaking one.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 August 2019 16:35 (eleven months ago) link


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