Things you were shockingly old when you learned

That Blues Traveler aren't a blues band, also that they spell Traveller with one l

Ha, I always forget the US spellings of those words.

I wrote "levelling" on the UK politics thread earlier and couldn't remember if it was "levelling" (UK iirc) or "leveling" (US iirc) because at least the US has a rule whereas the British rule is "just remember it" afaik

(I think there is a rule in USEng, anyway - "aver" has the stress on -"er" so in the US it's averring but "waver" has the stress on "wav" so it's "wavering", iirc?)

same as there is no rule for -ent and -ant except "just remember it from all the books you've read, what do you mean you spend more time reading Joe Public's unedited thoughts on twitter than reading the classics" with a little dash of "just remember it from your knowledge of etymology and Latin verb conjugations"

and there is no rule for -er vs -or except "maybe it depends on when the word was imported and whether it came from French or Latin or just because people wanted to add -er to a word, oh hell, make it up already"

the truly galaxy brain people do the same with -ise/-ize except s/Latin/Greek/ of course (taps nose)

The rule in USE is the consonants are doubled when a suffix is in play if the accent of the word is on the last syllable. If the accent falls somewhere else, then no doubling is needed.

I decided long ago to let whatever version of benefitting or benefiting the writer was using to pass. I swear, at least in my region, there are at least two pronunciations of "benefit". BEN-e-fit if it's a noun and ben-e-FIT if it's a verb.

Also, since fit turns into fitting, most casual writers go for benefitting. My life is too short to judge anymore.

Wait, are there any words that would take a single "l" before "ing" in International English?

Er, or "er"?

if there is a vowel before the "l"?

caroling?

gamboling, imperiling.. but yes it doubles on "er" it seems..

I might use 2 "l"s for "carolling" and "imperilling", though I have never used the latter. Merriam Webster gives voth spellings. I don't know what "gamboling" means.

*both

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4771695/carolling-group-spreading-festive-cheer-helping-children-across-the-okanagan/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/carolling-filipino-style-1.4958179

"Imperilling" in the caption here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3807349

Two ll's looks weird there.

What do UK papers use?

cancelling vs. canceling? I’ve seen both used.

Double ll's invariably in the UK.

Definitely the first in Canada and I think most places outside the US? xp

The rule is if there's a squiggly red line under it change the spelling until the line goes away.

This is probably better fodder for the 'grammar fiends' thread, but other than in formal writing, omitting to double the final consonant is rarely going to make a groat's worth of difference to anyone. Its major purpose seems to be to make the division between the root word and the suffix more prominent. But that's just a nicety.

that the string lines in kashmir are 3/4 but the drumming is in 4/4 !!? christ i am dim

The guitar riff is in 3 too, if you're not counting that as a string instrument.

Guitars are woodwinds iirc

Ha, it's just that sometimes people say "strings" to mean "bowed strings".

my instinct is to double the Ls, but the arkansas travelers bring me back to america

Its major purpose seems to be to make the division between the root word and the suffix more prominent.

I usually want to pronounce a long vowel sound when I see a single consonant between vowels.

in the american rule of spelling the single consonant only comes after an unstressed vowel, which is therefore unlikely to be sounding as a long vowel (at least i can't think of an example where pronouncing it as a long vowel wouldn't shift the stress onto that vowel, and hence switch the terms of the rule: travEEler etc)

Answer to thread question: that “Louie Louie” is a “chalypso.”

challopso

mark s go on challopso

My boy challopso

On a similar "good things actually bad for you" tip a lot of ppl dont seem to know that raw kale/chard is really not a good idea, because in its raw state its loaded with oxalic acid.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, August 5, 2019 9:43 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

American grammar relies on you knowing the rules

speaking english well requires a good ear

not "learned" per se as this happened in my adult life, but I forgot that the concepts of "red" and "blue" states are new and an invention of the TV networks.

modern definition first used in 2000 Presidential election, prior to that, tv networks often assigned colors at random (blue once went to the Republican candidate)

It wasn’t until after the 2000 election per se afaik, when papers and TV had to keep reporting on the map bcz the Bushes stealing the election extended coverage past one night? ie previously everyone just used their own colour scheme in live reporting, but kinda shrugged & followed the NYT (?) when they all had to keep talking abt the map for weeks.

How did they end up with those colours? I thought blue = right and red = left in most countries?

yeah, before 2004 (afaik) more US print outlets used red = left and blue = right, and/but many TV stations would actually flip them each time to avoid the commie connotations

ha

Archie Tse, The New York Times graphics editor who made the choice when the Times published its first color presidential election map in 2000, provided a nonpolitical rationale, explaining that "Both 'Republican' and 'red' start with the letter 'R.'"

Lol

I was baffled at the what i very def perceived as a reassignment of red to gop in that time, as i always recalled it as red>dems which made intuitive sense based on red/left history. i really dont recall it alternating ever, but- if they say so.

I was baffled at the what i very def perceived as a reassignment of red to gop in that time, as i always recalled it as red>dems which made intuitive sense based on red/left history. i really dont recall it alternating ever, but- if they say so.

https://i.imgur.com/H3JKROr.jpg

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-republicans-were-blue-and-democrats-were-red-104176297/

chuck todd makes a reasonable point, astonishing

“If it had been flipped, the map would have been too dark,” he said. “The blue would have been swamping the red. Red is a lighter color.”

idiot.

so are there ANY foods that are good for you???? avocados are still safe right?

who eats raw kale??

ppl who eat salads and sandwiches iirc

"Salads" and "sandwiches"

Dude I've been eating raw kale based salads for like a year and a half

isn't it kind of.. tough?? and rubbery?