the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

Epstein and Pac, jammin’ in Samoa.

one for the "grain of salt" files

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

^ Premise of that article is that Epstein would not have been able to hang himself, stab himself, or bludgeon himself in that unit. It says nothing about, oh, let's say an overdose of fentanyl obtained from a guard for a small cash consideration.

Voted "other" — dude absolutely faked his suicide and was whisked to freedom.

Lol dudez

He hanged himself xp

as a supporter of the ‘what if his head just... did that’ explanation of jfk’s death, i believe we should give serious credence to the thought that epstein’s neck just... did that

People have spontaneous neck implosions every year, they’re just not widely reported

Of course...

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead

I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this!

RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily pic.twitter.com/Y9tGAWaAxX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019

^^Retweeted by Yam.

I guess he's....not surprised

He also retweeted a post about Clinton's trips to the island.

I said this on the main politics thread, but his frothing desire to see the Clintons get theirs by any means possible, even if it means spotlighting a case he's been named in repeatedly, really highlights just how special his brain is

went with "(other)" because i feel like automatic "no way, no conspiracy, nothing to see here folks, move on pls!" talk is just as irresponsible, in its way, as "CLINTON BODY COUNT STRIKES AGAIN" shit.

i think epstein committed suicide and the fact that he wasn't being adequately monitored was due to gross negligence and not conspiracy

^^^^

if it were just about anyone else I'd definitely agree with you

either killed or "other"

I'm somewhere between 'gross negligence' and 'allowed/encouraged' to do it '

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

Negligence or guards just not giving a fuck. As I said on the other thread, some of the most infamous murderers in UK history, who you would expect would be watched extra carefully, have hung themselves in their cells.

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question

Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.

It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.

I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus

"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein."
"Thanks, Alan--thanks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4

conspiracy doesn't apply here

it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened

Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?

i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him

Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Welp

assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets

lol

have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble

— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019

Pumped Up Epps

who killed j epstein?

http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/robert_hegyes_as_juan_epstein_in_welcome_back_kotter.jpg

I knew this storyline felt like a retread

Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?

— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019

who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact

this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice

Incoming thread.

Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.

Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable.

Warning.

— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019

excellent read soref thks

Indeed, thanks soref.

I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial

He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.

I'm sure he had a reasonable expectation he was going to get bail, when he didn't get it maybe the sky finally fell in. Tbh I don't want to spend another minute thinking about his POS and am dissappointed at myself for commenting itt.

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

Hillary didn't lose the "election"; she lost the coin toss backstage, overseen by the lizard people who secretly guide all world events. Then she just had to "make it look good" and vanish off the public stage once her role in the Grand Design was complete. Do I have that right, Morbs?

People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY

Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?

If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.

People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.

And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon

Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.

Right, exactly! I don't think anyone here is going to dispute that people die regularly in prison, both by their own hand and by the hands of others. It is far from outlandish to suggest the people are murdered in prison, and that certain people are potentially more at risk of this happening to them.

After trial, I'd take a sucide explanation all day long. Before? I can't see it

there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else

one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't

I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it

They should announce it like the NFL draft.

lmao

They should do a montage on the next Academy Awards show with the Hollywood people, like the In Memoriam segment.

anti vaxxers trying to get in on the action

Dear Aasshole: for the record, I’ve not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact whatsoever with Epstein, nor will you find my name on any “list” other than the clearly-phony nonsense that soft-brained wackos like yourself can’t seem to distinguish from reality. Your reckless… https://t.co/p8eug12uiS

— Jimmy Kimmel (@jimmykimmel) January 2, 2024

This from the Guardian is what I've also seen elsewhere about the names: Many on the list will already be publicly known as associates, employees of Epstein and Maxwell, or people who had flown on his planes.

So I don't think this is quite the bonanza some people are hoping for. But I guess we'll see!

2-3 big names is enough for a media/twitter frenzy

Fred Rogers
Mark E Smith
Mr. Blobby

Meryl Streep
William Howard Taft
Jake Gyllenhaal

someone should arrange the names in haiku form

dayrl hall
john oates
chelsea clinton

What else have I got to say
We didn't etc.

Leonid Brezhnev
Lenny Bruce
Lester Bangs

L Ron Hubbard, for sure... he likes yachts and the underaged

Danny Bonaduce
Red Buttons
Marcia Wallace

oh wait no that’s an old “this week on the Love Boat” list

Bill Brewer
Jan Stewer
Peter Gurney
Peter Davy
Dan'l Whiddon
Harry Hawke
Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all

Fred Biletnikoff, Brandon Tartikoff, Sid and Marty Krofft!
Fred Gwynne and Anthony Quinn and Rin Tin Tin and Pearl Bailey
And Moms Mabley and Mayor Daley and Hank and Phoebe Snow!
Ethel Merman and Pee Wee Herman and Strom Thurmond and Vince Lombardi and George and Jesus Jones.
Edith Head and Mister Ed and Nostradamus and Danny Thomas and Leona and Sherman Hemsley!

Fall Out Boy itt furiously taking down notes

If anyone is interested, the full doc is available here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/03/jeffrey-epstein-documents-list-pdf

they should make a musical about jeffrey epstein.

No — tbh i don’t find him funny whatsoever.

there’s nothing much in there that wasn’t already released, afaict

not to be all i aint reading all that but THE LIST just gimme THE LIST

it’s the same list as before but they removed the redactions on a former president and a member of the uk royal family

Are there any unexpected names?

this is only part of the documents so more to come

Even without a lot of bombshells, just going over all of this stuff in more detail is good because it's all so gross and terrible and they deserve to be shamed.

hate to say it but maybe you do gotta hand it to him sometimes

Elon Musk free Ben Garrison's account pic.twitter.com/UmZsiPV0Zi

— Aleph (@woke8yearold) January 3, 2024

wasting no time with the new public domain characters

David Copperfield and Michael Jackson were new-ish ones.

Last night I rewatched the first ep of JE:Filthy Rich on Netflix (after work lol) and I’d recommend a watch if you haven’t seen it or if you’re feeling cynical — this guy was a complete and total piece of shit. What he/they did to the girls of Florida alone warrants abundant disgust. Just to remind why we’re here.

Is the Ghislane one on Netflix worth watching? I watched the Epstein one and figured she was covered well enough.

She was his #1 enabler and a sicko in her own right for having been involved with him so intimately for so long (as always, imo). To understand the full dynamic it helps to know something about her and where she came from and what she did.

I don’t believe he would have gotten his daily dose without her. If you can stand it, “watch one ep then decide whether or not to continue” is my advice.

Re: the document

I read a little bit of her testimony and I had to stop. She snapped at the questioning lawyer and it reminded me of the Kavanaugh/Klobuchar exchange during his confirmation hearings. You could see a person who was cornered and desperate and willing to lash out at anyone to remain out of trouble. And now iirc she’s in prison so ha ha. No comment on him. This convo isn’t about that!

Also her email at the very beginning was clearly written in a state of panic unless that’s “just her writing style” (careless, sloppy, extremely defensive)

wish the full ep of this was streaming, unless this is the whole segment. the tone is disgusting enough but about 100x worse now given what we know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTc0FLHCFUM

"i'm just wondering, now, what do you need a commercial size airliner for?"

god damn

the full clip must be somewhere - but the first links to be found are all blocked - Video unavailable / This video contains content from Paramount Global (PMN), who has blocked it on copyright grounds

this seems to be the full 2 minute segment
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/bizarre-jeffrey-epstein-tv-clip-resurfaces-online/news-story/0af74b89aa43fb72c7c943b92484bffb

So did it come out

Came out. Saw its shadow.

new docs have been released