marc alaimo was a weak link as an actor, so . . . otm
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 00:48 (four years ago) link
he was great! hammin it up with the best
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 04:27 (four years ago) link
Yeah gul dukat owns.
I'm really into ds9 rn. On season 5, the cardassians have joined the dominion, eek!
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 07:04 (four years ago) link
I have way too much stuff to watch, but if I dip into this show, is s1e1 the best place, or in media res somewhere else?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
Things don’t really pick up until S2, but it’s somewhat serialized so I’m not sure you’d want to skip S1. I used this guide when I rewatched it, which skips a bunch of fluffy episodes. It leaves in all the Ferenghi stuff (space Jews!), which can get a bit tiring, but the guy makes a good case for watching them: https://medium.com/maxistentialism-blog/star-trek-deep-space-nine-in-82-5-hours-10acde591fd2#.nfj6q7sqb
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
Yeah you need S1 to set up the world and the characters - first two episodes especially. If I were to watch it all again (hint: I never will) I would skip all the Ferenghi episodes, as well as all holosuite and all mirror universe ones.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
I like the concept of Space Jews, as that role seemed to belong (somewhat) to the Vulcans in TOS and even the first Abrams movie.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link
Even if that means skipping Vorta Iggy Pop?
If you’re not keen on seeing militarized Federation war serial, I’d recommend something close to the opposite — a handful of the novelty episodes that they sprinkled in for leavening. The tribble one for examplehttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tXar2DiP_w4/UZ0gs7PAhUI/AAAAAAAABJM/qISF7kIu1VU/s1600/tribble.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Looking through the first season episodes, the ones that jump out at me as the most skippable: 'Move Along Home', 'The Storyteller', 'If Wishes Were Horses'. Depending on your feelings re: Q and Lwaxana Troi, you could probably skip their episodes. The Ferengi-centric episodes aren't my favorite but I like the core DS9 Ferengi trio enough that I push through (although the one (or the first one, as I understand there's at least one more) with Quark and Rom's mother was...trying).
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
the mirror universe ones are Good (even if the ease of getting back and forth is extra silly)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
that quote from Behr about Picard's greatest fear in the Medium piece DJI linked is greatand of course Roddenberry killed it and liked the whole Risa pleasure planet junk
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link
I don't think there's a ton of agreement on what the outright bad episodes are - I love the Mirror Universe eps for instance - plus a lot of the politics are drawn super slowly in the first two seasons. Just suck it up and digest it all, buddy!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
xp too lazy to find it, can you quote it mh
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
Can do, sorry for the length
I created this planet called Risa, which was a pleasure planet. The captain was stressed out and needed a vacation. He went on this vacation and there was a holosuite there — or a holodeck — I guess a holosuite, we called it. It said, “Face Your Greatest Fear!” and it was like a carnival place. And he thought, “Oh, cool, this is going to put me in a good mood. What I need is to fight some Klingons without thinking about the repercussions of it, or go after some Romulans or whatever it is. And he goes into this holodeck, and it was all about the captain being promoted to admiral, and losing the Enterprise, and Riker being bumped up to captain of the Enterprise. Basically, though we never really hit it on the head, it’s about growing old. Not to grow old, but your time of life changing and suddenly you’re not going to be the guy going off on adventures, you’re going to be sitting at a desk somewhere, SENDING people on adventures. That’s his greatest fear. Then it became a whole long story that I’m not going to get into now, but it got SLAMMED dead by Gene (Roddenberry); it was my big ‘Gene meeting’, where he slammed me down with all kind of pronouncements about what Star Trek is and is not. It was like, “Picard fears nothing. If it’s time for him to grow old, to become an admiral, he becomes an admiral! He would not think about that, AT ALL. Picard is John Wayne!” Well, John Wayne had all kinds of fears and guilt and angers and bitterness in his best movies… “No. John Wayne is a hero, Picard is a hero, we are not doing this episode.” Even though I guess this had happened a lot on the show in the first couple seasons, it hadn’t hit us. And that’s when Gene sat there, “…but I love the pleasure planet! Get the captain laid!”
It said, “Face Your Greatest Fear!” and it was like a carnival place. And he thought, “Oh, cool, this is going to put me in a good mood. What I need is to fight some Klingons without thinking about the repercussions of it, or go after some Romulans or whatever it is.
And he goes into this holodeck, and it was all about the captain being promoted to admiral, and losing the Enterprise, and Riker being bumped up to captain of the Enterprise. Basically, though we never really hit it on the head, it’s about growing old. Not to grow old, but your time of life changing and suddenly you’re not going to be the guy going off on adventures, you’re going to be sitting at a desk somewhere, SENDING people on adventures. That’s his greatest fear.
Then it became a whole long story that I’m not going to get into now, but it got SLAMMED dead by Gene (Roddenberry); it was my big ‘Gene meeting’, where he slammed me down with all kind of pronouncements about what Star Trek is and is not. It was like, “Picard fears nothing. If it’s time for him to grow old, to become an admiral, he becomes an admiral! He would not think about that, AT ALL. Picard is John Wayne!” Well, John Wayne had all kinds of fears and guilt and angers and bitterness in his best movies… “No. John Wayne is a hero, Picard is a hero, we are not doing this episode.” Even though I guess this had happened a lot on the show in the first couple seasons, it hadn’t hit us.
And that’s when Gene sat there, “…but I love the pleasure planet! Get the captain laid!”
https://medium.com/maxistentialism-blog/star-trek-deep-space-nine-in-82-5-hours-10acde591fd2#.nfj6q7sqb
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:34 (four years ago) link
Done a LOL @ that.
― Thank You (Fattekin Mice Elf Control Again) (Noel Emits), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
hahaha omg
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
We all know that Picard's unyielding lack of complexity is at the core of his enduring popularity.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
I'm surprised Roddenberry didn't insist he have a heroic catchphrase. 'Jean-Luc out, here comes Picard!'
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
Um. Engage?
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
Not heroic enough imo. Maybe like 'engage that shit' while he slides on some shades to the accompaniment of chugging guitars.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
I think i've mentioned the time i was on the men's room line at the theatre w/ Patrick Stewart, but didn't end up at the next urinal, where i wd've intoned "Make it so, Number One."
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
tbh I can't imagine that you would like DS9 at all Morbz
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
Yeah, if you're primarily a fan of TOS, it bears little resemblance. Very good but quite different.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:21 (four years ago) link
does anyone want to explain to me what is going on with the Tribbles ep img with O'Brien inserted into it upthread
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
i don't require it to be a clone of the first series
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
fwiw I couldn't make it past the first episode, and you know how low my standards are
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
The first episode of a television series is usually its best, so that's a pretty fair assessment.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
idk if you really want to have this argument but I was not given the impression that the things that were the most objectionable about it (like, say, the lead's line readings) were remedied later on
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
Does the Medium piece talk about how Roddenberry also wanted half-naked guys in the background holding hands?
I actually like "Move Along Home"! I think that someone who gets with TOS would appreciate its silly camp.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
like, there was just nothing there that grabbed me, nothing that seemed like an interesting idea/no character that might develop into something interesting, and plenty of things I found actively irritating (Sisko, Ferengi etc.)
xps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
You'll be missing out on Wallace Shawn and Space Nurse Ratchedhttps://s.put.re/maPB9nTX.pnghttps://s.put.re/PmdfguRf.png
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
Like while on the one hand I can accept that your objections were enough to keep you from pursuing the series further, on the other hand recommending against watching a well-regarded television series on the basis of the one (1) episode you couldn't even make it all the way through is...what's the word? Oh, yes: challops.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link
As Philip notes, if you haven't even gotten around to seeing Vedek Winn and Garak and the evolution of Nog etc. etc. you might as well be saying 'don't watch this show why because I saw a commercial and it looked unintersting'.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
well-regarded television series
eh depends who you ask
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
not sure what you think Morbz would like about this series tbh
Did you read the post right after you wrote to Morbs where I agreed with you (not realizing you hadn't actually seen the show)
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
fair enough
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
anyway i'm a fan of Rene Auberjonois and Colm Meaney in other things
also there is a baseball episode
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
love me some Alex Siddig, that guy has been a valuable supporting actor in a lot of things over the years. he was the best thing about the worst part of Game of Thrones too (Dorne), which was an utter waste of his skill level and charisma.
― omar little, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
I agree with Οὖτις that Avery Brooks can be a bit off-putting with his weird line-reading, but if you can get past that the rest of the series is really great. One of the first golden-age-of-TV-style shows where there is a large over-arching plot, and the first Star Trek show to have any hints of darkness or doubt within the Federation.
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
I admit that I'm pretty deep into the Trek echo chamber but basically everyone praises DS9, especially for its structural ambitions.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
also there is a baseball episodei think this was the only one i skipped.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
probably still prefer the later tng seasons
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
There's also an episode that revolves around the 1951 Willie Mays rookie card.
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
The baseball episode is actually really good, in a corny, sentimental way, even for someone likes me who knows almost nothing about it. It helps that it's right in the middle of long war arc, and it's clear that both the viewers and the characters need the temporary distraction it brings to all dark stuff they've been going through.And yeah, baseball features in other episodes too, because right from the start Captain Sisko is established as a major fan of the sport (which apparently isn't played much on Earth anymore in the 24th century).
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
Baseball only exists as a Fortnite DLC in the 24th century.
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
Avery Brooks is just very theatre.
He's a joy and my favourite captain.
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
It wouldn't be Star Trek if the principals didn't ignore the last several centuries of their history in forming cultural interests that are uniformly familiar to viewers in the 20th/21st Century.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:43 (four years ago) link
FTR, I get shakey's qualms inasmuch as the pilot is overlong and unwieldy and not a great entry point for people who aren't predisposed to jump headlong into a new Trek venture sight unseen. And if you don't stick around to the end, you miss the emotional payoff and best part of the episode. And, yeah, Brooks is sometimes a little much.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
iirc the the TNG pilot was much worse
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link