END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

it's early

twitter isn't the world

Bernie doesn't have a capitalist bone in his body

none of this stupid shit matters

"Bernie bros"

antifa

deep state

poll

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I guess if you for some reason want to grant that those polls have any merit, a pragmatic solution would be to support bernie so these people don’t swing the election to trump. you know, for the good of the country

also for the math-challenged, 20% of 20% is 4%

yeah pretty much every DSA type I know thinks Warren is a wolf in sheep’s clothing & they’re already making efforts to kneecap her. also, knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren

lol

in a bimodal distribution on a univariate ideological axis, warren is probably the ideological middle of the left part of the curve.

plus I think Warren might have difficulty gaining black voters’ enthusiasm compared to Biden/Sanders/Harris which puts her at a disadvantage

basically what I’m saying is this is gonna suck

let the goddamn 14 MONTHS play out

This myth that runnerup candidates MUST DROP OUT ASAP (and always have) is bullshit pushed by the Hillbots three years ago.

Politics is about a death struggle between options.

you are right about the death struggle

“nice candidacy you have there, shame if something happened to it”

I do like the idea that Warren has been talking about jailing bankers and breaking up tech giants just to attract big donors and moderate suburban votes so she can win power and pursue her hidden agenda of governing like Bill Clinton.

*extracts bone sample*

Death struggle or lemmings off a cliff

using "shut up and get in line" a year before an election is the most antidemocratic crap I can think of

Morbs nobody has to shut up and get in line now but we need to make peace with the fact that eventually some of us will have to

And it’s not necessarily leftists that will need to! It goes for anti-Bernie / anti-Warren crowds as well!

There's time. In the meantime, hurricanes!

A lot of this anxiety stems from the fact that there are already tons of people telegraphing that they won't under any circumstances vote for this or that candidate due to perceived lack of ideological purity.

caveat; I know your vote doesn’t actually matter Morbs since you live in a very special blue state instead of a normal one

I do like the idea that Warren has been talking about jailing bankers and breaking up tech giants just to attract big donors and moderate suburban votes so she can win power and pursue her hidden agenda of governing like Bill Clinton.

― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), 1. september 2019 19:28 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The way the senate's looking, I fear they all will govern like Bill Clinton :(

Many people can telegraph many things in September 2019. I just don't see the point of worrying now.

not to mention the fucking Supreme Court (thanks people who didn’t vote Dem!) xp

People, especially dudes, love posturing on social media.

I only do it on ilx

And it’s not necessarily leftists that will need to! It goes for anti-Bernie / anti-Warren crowds as well!

― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, September 1, 2019 1:35 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

which is why even worrying about this dumb shit now is pointless. it’s beautiful outside, enjoy the summer!

A lot of this anxiety stems from the fact that there are already tons of people telegraphing that they won't under any circumstances vote for this or that candidate due to perceived lack of ideological purity.

This is entirely in your head. To rehash something that has been done a million times on ILX, there's always a percentage of Democratic primary voters who vote GOP in the general and in 2016, Berniebros were more party-loyal than Hillary voters in 2008. Warren or Harris aren't going to do worse on that front than Clinton.

As frustrating as it must be to most ilxors, the democratic nominee will be chosen by people, both ordinary voters and political insiders, the majority of whom do not closely resemble ilxors. This cold fact will be doubly true when it comes to the people who will choose the next president in November 2020.

I don't like this any better than you do, but I've had a longer time to get used to it.

Morbs since you live in a very special blue state instead of a normal one

the first state to hate the Grifter, in spite of all the dumb hicks upstate who will vote for him

knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren

man what

longer "than necessary" for crut

like I said, special rules and new historical template for Bernie

like im currently giving money to both campaigns but people who think Bernie is somehow the problem in the current democratic field just absolutely baffle me

sorry i got way too worked up itt

i like bernie! i'm glad he's running!

Lol. I know this is the Berner thread, but guys, that's just pathetic whining.

there is a distinct possibility that no candidate will go into the DNC with a majority of the delegates and either warren or sanders will need the others' delegates to get over the 50% threshold in the subsequent voting rounds so i think it would be real real cool if both sides would be nice to each other

Sanders is in second place in about half of the recent polls (i.e. ahead of Warren), so wringing your hands about how Bernie might "stay in too long" and "hurt Warren" at this point is kind of absurd. And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.

xp agreed

i'm just still fucked up over 2016 & also frustrated with all my friends who are literally bernie or bust, it's sometimes hard to remind myself that most bernie supporters aren't like that

Even a lot of your friends who are "literally bernie or bust" are probably not literally bernie or bust. But yeah, that's objectively not that large a percentage of his supporters, nor was it last time.

And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.

it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/

anyway i'm sorry, i'll stop being a str8 white dude catastrophizing on ilx

sorry crüt didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. the Bernie die-hards can be trying but tbh I think a lot of it’s just Twitter hardmanning by ppl who are likely not even in swing states

Bernie + warren combined is still below Biden in most polls ghttps://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/) and that’s under the optimistic assumption that if either dropped out all voters would switch to the other (and it’s not just bernie busters who’d defect; a lot of Bernie first picks are Biden second picks, presumably many Warren second picks are for the other candidates)

flopson, that is not true. take harrisx out and most show bernie+warren totals > biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html)

im not saying to not pay attention to the harrisx poll, but its an aberration of sorts.

it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/

he's declining slightly but measurably, and a majority of folks responding to cold phone calls are still the sort of people who don't actually follow news and just recognise the word "Biden." though in current likelihood I'd rank the following

1: someone he respects convinces him to drop out and endorse Warren*
2: his brain melts so much at an appearance that he has to be put into care
3: the name-recognition lumpendemocrat abandon him

watched the Bernie / Killer Mike video this morning, that's some good praxis tbh

* though the main indicator of his senility is the ludicrous stubbornness shown by his insistence on running again when he has lost comprehensively every time before, and things like the "this story is God's exact truth, my word as a Biden" -> turns out every single detail of the story is incorrect, including his involvement -> "wtf, I know SOMETHING happened once and I was there, how dare anyone criticise me for misremembering 17 specifics that I insisted were accurate" from three days ago