this looks like a five bagger
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
"like the more recent james bond movies we get into the joker's origins, except instead of a spy he's a criminal mastermind. he'd be a formidable foe for my character in decker, kington, who's a mastermind of codes" it writes itself
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
“Next up we’ve got ‘The Joker’ starring Joker... uh, Jack... Joking Phoenix”
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
Stand-up comedy was the thing that people with little artistic talent looking for quick fame veered towards in the 80s. It was a perfect fit for The king of comedy. Today the thing would probably be youtube stardom. but i guess that wouldn't get a spooky clown movie any prestige.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:28 (four years ago) link
skimmed the screenplay today and loooooool
― Simon H., Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Stand-up comedy was the thing that people with little artistic talent looking for quick fame veered towards in the 80s.
this has always happened and is arguably worse today
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
honestly just rewatch []Observe and Report[] or The Comedy
triple feature
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link
Todd Phillips going "serious" isn't nearly as much of a surprise at the Farrelly brothers. he's made dramas. and The Hangover is great (...iirc)
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:29 (four years ago) link
Nah, the first Hangover - which Phillips, significantly, didn't write - is a very good low comedy.
(#2 is atrocious, Road Trip and Old School each have a couple of well-done set pieces but are basically reprehensible. never heard of War Dogs until this post!) (several of the Farrelly bros films are good-ish, feel distinctly the work of specific authors, and their casting of differently-abled actors in "normal" roles ameliorates some of their other queasiness. it's only the writer of bad serious novels that directed the bad serious film from other ppl's screenplay though.)
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 04:26 (four years ago) link
yeah most of his comedies are good
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 05:28 (four years ago) link
Can't remember laughing once during any of the Hangover movies tbh.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:52 (four years ago) link
hopefully JOKER will make up for that
― a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:53 (four years ago) link
I love Road Trip just because of one line "It's supposed to be a challenge, that's why they call it a shortcut. If it was easy it would just be the way."
― Yerac, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:57 (four years ago) link
Road Trip is so mechanically, cynically bad.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
And all kinds of bad -ists, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Joe... Jo-Jack... Jo ack... Phone Jack
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Jaw-kin Penis...uh, Fenis. Phoenix.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Joke phone I X
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
Are those Cam'ron lyrics
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
debt to a certain Scorsese film looks obscene
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-joker-is-a-punishingly-self-serious-mishmash-of-borrowed-parts/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
so i here this has a subway scene based on bernie goetz but instead of black kids it's wall street execs harassing him
because the bad thing about the 1% is that they are always riding public transport and harassing the proles on them
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
Well, back in the early '80s there were no taxis or limousines, so rich and poor alike mingled freely on the subways. It was all part of the vibrant tapestry of city life, as depicted in at least three of Patti Smith's memoirs.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
Was reading Ebert's review of Todd Phillips's Due Date, which sounds like a similar "homage to"/steal from Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
the Todd Phillips film i saw was a bootleg video of Frat House when i was in college iirc -- it was a very "serious" film about dumb dudes drinking beer and slapping the filmmakers across the face.
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
An Oscar for that film would rile up the MCU creators and its fans and that in itself might be worth it.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
That is a very hot + fresh + good take.
― Time to Make a Pizza Pact! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
Lol It would just mean that instead of three relatively light Marvel movies a year we would suddenly get a spate of "dark" Marvel movies.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
yeah, be careful what you wish forthis winter... Marvel Dark presents... STRIKEFORCE MORITURIactually that would be dopeMODOK UNBOUNDno that would be dope tooKA ZAR and HOWARD THE DUCK inactually, let's try this
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link
I assume a dark Howard the Duck would involve him confronting the evil child molester from the first movie for extra #wokeness
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
cannot wait for tim burtons howard the duck to reveal that his daddy wanted him to be an accountant and thats why hes so sad now
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
has anyone seen this movie btw
is it any good
fwiw I haven't seen any reviews calling it bad, so ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
oh it's bad alright... bad to the bone... THE FUNNY BONE HAHAHAHAHAHAHEEEHEEEHEE IT'S JOKER TIME!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
David Edelstein says "it panders to selfish, small-minded feelings of resentment and as such is profoundly boring. It’s a one-joke movie"..."monotonous, unpleasant, and morally blech"..."As Hannah Arendt saw banality in the supposed evil of the Nazi Adolf Eichmann, I see in Joker an attempt to elevate nerdy revenge to the plane of myth."
Glenn Kenny says "Fleck’s alienation in the early scenes evokes Travis Bickle’s, but this movie is too chicken-livered to give Fleck Bickle’s racism"..."As social commentary, “Joker” is pernicious garbage...The final minutes, which will move any sentient viewer to mutter “would you just pick a goddamn ending and stick to it?” are likely an indication of what kind of mess we would have had on our hands had Phillips been left entirely to his own cynical incoherent devices for the entire runtime."
Stephanie Zacharek says "the aggressive and possibly irresponsible idiocy of Joker overall is [Phillips'] alone to answer for. Phillips may want us to think he’s giving us a movie all about the emptiness of our culture, but really, he’s just offering a prime example of it"..."Joker — which was written by Phillips and Scott Silver — doesn’t have a plot; it’s more like a bunch of reaction GIFs strung together"..."Joker is dark only in a stupidly adolescent way, but it wants us to think it’s imparting subtle political or cultural wisdom."
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
oh, I've heard plenty of criticisms. But those reviews, were they entirely negative, or they did they just highlight things they didn't like that?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
Reading those blurbs I get a sense they didn't like the film.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
Amid calling it monotonous, unpleasant, boring, aggressively idiotic and stupidly adolescent, they did say that it had some positive aspects, yes. Feel better now?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:59 (four years ago) link
Critics man, just like those chad finance bros kicking the shit of the poor Joker when he is down on his knees. Can't a film have his dignity.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
I'll be really curious, once all the reviews show up, how the average, well, averages out.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
did any of them say anything about the movie as opposed to whether they agreed with whatever theyre disagreeing is the point of the movie
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:14 (four years ago) link
― gbx, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link
By some corners you mean the Jordan Peterson subreddit? Yeah I think so too.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:23 (four years ago) link
otm
― gbx, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
how the average, well, averages out.
given that the average American movie critic is a tasteless shithead
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 September 2019 01:55 (four years ago) link
from the Uhlich review that Morbs posted:
Fleck is a skeleton-thin jester who works the sidewalks and hospital wards while dreaming of stand-up stardom, and he gets viciously beat up by a group of delinquents in the film’s first scene. As he lays bleeding in a scum-soaked alley, the prop flower on his lapel drips out a pathetic, pissy stream of water. It would be funny if the direction and framing wasn’t so arrogantly humorless. “This is serious,” Phillips seems to be saying, as if he’s prosaically altered the anarchic mantra (“Why so serious?!?”) of Heath Ledger’s Joker in Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight. Fleck, at one of his many low points, does something similar to the “Don’t Forget to Laugh” sign in his workplace, blacking out “Forget to” with a marker so that it now reads “Don’t Laugh.” His action sums up Joker itself, which is made almost entirely out of the preexisting parts of other films, the connections reworked just enough to avoid outright plagiarism, and the results then slathered in a patina of paranoiac solemnity.
“This is serious,” Phillips seems to be saying, as if he’s prosaically altered the anarchic mantra (“Why so serious?!?”) of Heath Ledger’s Joker in Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight. Fleck, at one of his many low points, does something similar to the “Don’t Forget to Laugh” sign in his workplace, blacking out “Forget to” with a marker so that it now reads “Don’t Laugh.” His action sums up Joker itself, which is made almost entirely out of the preexisting parts of other films, the connections reworked just enough to avoid outright plagiarism, and the results then slathered in a patina of paranoiac solemnity.
― groovemaaan, Thursday, 12 September 2019 04:18 (four years ago) link
ya but is it any good I'm just trying to find that out
i get that many people who get paid to write about what they think movies ought to have done or meant seem to have written snippets here and there about what they object to in the message or politics of this effort
but is it any good is it a good movie
just want it sorted yknow
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 September 2019 08:31 (four years ago) link
i hear yiz all that its awful that it was made, like.
but i mean some of you didnt even love watchmen ffs
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 September 2019 08:37 (four years ago) link
1. Nobody’s seen it2. No
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 12 September 2019 08:48 (four years ago) link