Nasim Pedrad, if you count Iranian as Asian.
For the great majority of US people, "Asians" only come from a very restricted part of Asia. For example, you aren't really "Asian" if you are from central Asia, so that Mongolians are Asian, but Uighurs or Kazakhs are not. Siberians generally aren't thought of as Asians, either.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 01:01 (four years ago) link
norm kinda fucking sucks now
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 01:12 (four years ago) link
I still think he’s one of the best comedians ever but he’s carried water for a lot of shitty people these last 5 years and seems to be on the wrong side of everything these days
Like his brain is still stuck in the 80s
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 01:41 (four years ago) link
Norm's going to pledge for Trump any day now
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
you're both otm and it's sad
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
Norm hasn't changed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weJqe8m2m5g
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 06:29 (four years ago) link
Yeah Norm has always sucked like this
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 10:44 (four years ago) link
its only in the last few years or so I've seen him repurposed as a rightwing hero, judging by the titles & comments on his videos you'd think you were watching Ben Shapiro
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
I mean....I haven't seen them in forever but I'd imagine his old Weekend Updates would seem vile now because even back then and as a total dumbshit I remember thinking they went over the edge back then
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
yeah, the infamous story of 'woody allen is dating again' juxtaposed against the photo of the vietnamese girl covered in napalm never making it out of dress rehearsal comes to mind.
i had been totally unaware until somebody brought it up elsewhere that norm went on the view in 2000 to promote his sitcom, and essentially accused bill clinton of murdering vince foster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PP_SWHUQQ
― sovereignty flight, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
yeah I've always given him a pass on that because he was actually funny, not like Shane Gillis or whatever SNL tries to do now. there's a good interview with him where he explains exactly why SNL's Trump "humor" is so garbage - he gets it. at least when it comes to comedy. he sucks when it comes to basically anything else, and what's worse he always gets really aggressive when you call him on it. I mean its one thing in those clips where he's clearly goofing around but his defenses of Louie CK, Roseanne, and now this guy come off as really earnest and shitty
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link
like I get that "wouldn't it be funny if I said crazy conspiracy shit on The View" is sorta funny except there are many people who earnestly believe that stuff and now we're stuck on a dying planet and running detention camps for toddlers
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
I think the key with offensive/edgy stuff is to be not hacky or lazy but find something clever or funny to do with it, and even then, like, read the room and recognize it is time to move on with new material (a la what the Bodega Boys say upthread.) That's why comedians like, I dunno, Bill Burr still have careers (I think?). And I assume it's also why, if Eddie Murphy does indeed hit the stages again, he'll leave the outdated '80s homophobic bits well behind. I'm not going to seek out this fired SNL never-ran's clips, but if they are indeed him making fun of Chinese accents and restaurants or whatever, no turd that lazy should be employed as a comedian.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:40 (four years ago) link
There's like a glimmer of a fun persona in this standup. Like, ca 3 minutes in he says something like 'I actually did not vote for Trump, which was tough because, look at me, his whole campaign was aimed at me'. But he never really does anything with that, and then just goes back into bad racial humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0pfZygi2t8
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
its so surreal to hear Brendan Dassey, a guy I actually knew personally, be used as a punchline to a national audience
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link
Like what?
yeah, the infamous story of 'woody allen is dating again' juxtaposed against the photo of the vietnamese girl covered in napalm never making it out of dress rehearsal comes to mind. i had been totally unaware until somebody brought it up elsewhere that norm went on the view in 2000 to promote his sitcom, and essentially accused bill clinton of murdering vince foster.📹
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
lol "Bill Cosby is my hero, just like Bill Clinton is probably your hero. There have never been any accusations against Bill Cosby about anything."
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
Whomp whomp
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/snl-conservative-shane-gillis-hire-1203339723/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
that they were pandering to a broader audience seemed obvious; the real story, to me, is how they failed to do the slightest bit of vetting on him.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
The Kevin Williamson of Comedy!
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
A little more than 21 minutes into “Ep 146 – Live from Shane’s Parent’s Basement,” while talking about the Battle of Gettysburg, Gillis refers to soldiers yelling as “so gay.” About 29 minutes into the podcast, Gillis uses the word “retard,” and “f-ggot,” and shortly afterward he and McCusker joke about “hot Southern boys” being raped during the Civil War, comparing it to “having gay sex in jail.”Gillis, in describing women who disguised themselves as men to fight in the war, refers to them as “flat chested f—ing bitch[es].” He issued a statement last Thursday addressing the situation, writing in part, “My intention is never to hurt anyone but I am trying to be the best comedian I can be and sometimes that requires risks.”
Gillis, in describing women who disguised themselves as men to fight in the war, refers to them as “flat chested f—ing bitch[es].” He issued a statement last Thursday addressing the situation, writing in part, “My intention is never to hurt anyone but I am trying to be the best comedian I can be and sometimes that requires risks.”
damn...RIP. some gave all.
― omar little, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
ah yes, the ever-risky prison sex joke
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
lol so he was a diversity hire
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
i guess the guy figured doing some Eddie Murphy 1982-style stuff was the way in
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
while talking about the Battle of Gettysburg, Gillis refers to soldiers yelling as “so gay.”
this really is 2019 America in a nutshell
― omar little, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
I am trying to be the best comedian I can be and sometimes that requires risks actually good material.
― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
Knew it
what surprises me is that SG ever even thought to audition, maybe they reached out to him, maybe his agent suggested it. because SNL/Lorne's logic makes sense, even if they fucked up big time (that article mentions that the last minute hire didn't allow them to do a "thorough examination" of SG's past work, even though this could've been deduced by a single google search).
but I don't get SG believing he would fit in or last at SNL without this exact thing happening. it's like adam carolla or nick mullen auditioning for SNL, or hannah gadsby going on cum town. it doesn't make any sense
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Downey_(comedian)
― Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
he was probably just supposed to do monologues on Weekend Update and stand around in the background of sketches
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
yeah its kind of funny to see his defenders whine about SJWs desperately digging through a comedian's past to uncover something shitty when in reality this was uncovered like 30 seconds after it was announced
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
Based on that clip posted up thread, it sounds like this dude is good old fashioned ignorant, which defaults/scans conservative, no matter his political stance. South Central PA, AKA Pennsyltucky. Like a roommate I had one summer, super nice, literally a rocket scientist, from a small town in West Virginia, who came up to me one day and asked me if I was Jewish. I said yes, and he answered, "oh, that's cool." Uh, thanks?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
Are there any good conservative US comics? I would assume labeling them conservative meant their comedy was stuck in the 1980s.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
Norm Macdonald
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
Yeah, he has never done it for me. I was thinking of watching the Bill Burr netflix but maybe he doesn't count.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
Tim Dillon maybe?
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
a lot of stand up is based around fear of difference/weirdness that scans as conservative to me, even if the comics don't vote GOP
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
pointing out differences in others is a way to get the audience on your side, if the audience looks and (you assume) thinks like you do. lazy shit.
― omar little, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
it just seems strange that snl may have been courting the modern definition of "conservative" when we know what trash that entails.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
is comedy inherently conservative?
― Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
It's not that strange. See my evocation of Jim Downey upthread, getting Trump to host. Michaels is nothing if not an opportunist.
― Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
I have no idea about Bill Burr's politics but I did read a really good interview with him I will post in a while. He seems very equal opportunity. In the piece he talks about making fun of Hillary Clinton in LA, but then making fun of gun owners in Oklahoma. His philosophy is that confrontation, getting out of your comfort zone, is key to good comedy, and that a good comedian should be able to pull off a successful set in front of any type of audience. Like, you can find a clip of Burr absolutely killing in front of a black Harlem audience.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:22 (four years ago) link
Burr seems to be a Bernie fan
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
I will read that old ilx thread. But I guess I specify modern conservatism because to me that is so right wing extremist regressive at this moment in time.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
Kevin Hart
― akm, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
j/k Kevin Hart isn't funny
I think that's why Gillam's "oh this was a joke that didn't land" rings pretty hollow, it comes off like that sort of backroom racism where a white person feels out another white person in order to find out how racist they can be in front of them. Like I could never picture him doing that sort of act in front of an audience that included Asian people. The idea you can't be transgressive or offensive anymore is absurd. How many millions did Dave Chappelle get? How's Anthony Jeselnik been doing lately?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
https://www.vulture.com/2018/05/bill-burr-in-conversation.html
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
Like, it takes a great comedian to pull this off:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8b81UM74Ow
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
Bill Burr’s extremely high quality take on the SG stuff is that it’s a disgrace how SG is being treated, that if you go back 15 years (?!) into anyone’s past you’ll find the same shit, that nobody is actually offended, and that millennials enjoy ruining people’s lives
― Blandford Forum, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
otm
― provisional ilx (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link