The Nintendo Switch

the Amazon thing is a real subscription not a trial so you should be able to

The Mega Drive (aka Genesis) Mini was recently released - are the emulated games for Switch on par (selection/emulation accuracy-wise) with that?

SNES emulator's not the only retro thing for the switch, theres also a "game" you can buy thats basically a MegaDrive emulator and has like 50 Sega games on it. Most of them are tat

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, September 23, 2019 11:04 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i take issue with this

― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Tuesday, September 24, 2019 12:53 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You guys have never heard of retro game bundles/collections/packs/museums etc.? These have existed forever!

Switch has:

Genesis Classics
Namco Museum
SNK 40th Anniversary Collection
Atari Flashback Classics

The Mega Drive (aka Genesis) Mini was recently released - are the emulated games for Switch on par (selection/emulation accuracy-wise) with that?

― Vernon Locke, Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:18 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Genesis Classics has more that I wish came on the Mini.

oh it might be that you have to use the eshop for the region that matches your subscription?

Yeah sadly theres some nintendo shop stuff not available in aAU thanks to regional fuckery :( The one that killed me was on the WiiU you can get Minish Cap, but you cant in Aus.

fucking sick of region blocking shit

i didn’t even know these things were available and am still not quite sure what they are but i am still angry

switch is region free so you can technically make a US eshop account and get stuff there, that only works for games though, idk about services like the online stuff

I know that if you have a NSO subscription you can download the famicom app from the Japanese store and play the games they got exclusively

the mountain section and moon pearl boss is driving me fucking insane #LttP

Link's Awakening has been delightful so far. I think I'm a little more than halfway through. One thing about it that has charmed and frustrated me equally is how opaque it can be (I'm thinking mainly of the trading quest). It's not like original LoZ levels of inscrutability but there's still a lot more of it than you'll find in any contemporary game. It seems like a lot of the time-value of old games is in repeatedly (a) dying and/or (b) trying and failing to find out what exactly one supposed to do next.

I'm actually really enjoying Link to the Past. I'm not a giant Zelda stan, but it reminds me of the first game but perhaps, yes, a little less opaque and more fun.

was links awakening the origin of the trading quest?

cant remember if lttp had one

the mountain section and moon pearl boss is driving me fucking insane #LttP

― unashamed and trash (Unctious), Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:20 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

One tip is to hold your sword out and keep your heels on the edge of the ledge. Moldorm can't knock you off if you are holding the directional towards Moldorm while it's trying to push you, and you won't take damage. Realizing now how hard it is to explain on paper all of the proper things to do during the Moldorm fight...

That’s an unbelievably white-knuckle fight!

And yeah LA has the first trading quest— LttP has the mushroom -> powder -> weird bat upgrade but that’s it, I think? (There might’ve been some trading for a bottle that I’ve forgotten)

Already getting ragey at LA and I've only done one dungeon/miniboss so far lol. Forgot how annoying "die and start the whole level again" was. I never played the original either so Ive no idea what to do rly.

You gotta kill the bad guys

Meanwhile, I'm trying to find my way to the second pendant in Link to the Past.

i don't know where anything actually is anymore due to watching/playing too many randomizers

moldorm is the most frustrating part of the game i think.

w allowances made for all the stuff lttp invents i do think link's awakening is better, but it is also hideous and lttp is gorgeous; hard to get around that.

don't think fgti has forgotten anything; iirc the cool hidden things in LTTP are mostly the bottles (one in partic is in a place it was plain rapture to discover existed at all)

well and heart pieces obv. some neat stuff w them and the whistle.

i think i'm down on lttp's visuals compared to most people, there's too much poopy brown in the overworld. its not very colorful or attractive outside of a few areas

Link's Awakening has been delightful so far. I think I'm a little more than halfway through. One thing about it that has charmed and frustrated me equally is how opaque it can be

this goes better with this game than with others. there's a genuine eerie tug to e.g. discovering the inscriptions on the wall in the desert. the frustrations and fits-and-starts of an action-adventure like zelda (where u are always very free to move around and not always given clear direction, but also almost always need to be doing something very specific next) are better suited to LA's weird psychoanalytic vibe than to an alleged breakneck hustle to save a princess.

I don’t remember games I played once decades ago very well —but from reading about this remaster and watching the full trailer that came out recently I am flooded with fond memories (of what I can remember). I think part of the reason I rank LA below LttP is because I played it 2nd and beat it quicker. If this is your first 2D Zelda game then the length should be pretty decent. All the item/puzzle concepts are new territory and will take longer to solve.

It’s time for Nintendo to make a new top down Zelda game.

Minish Cap is reasonably good, as is A Link Between Worlds!

There is one place I've never been able to reach in LttP. It has never stopped bothering me. In the escape from Hyrule Castle, you pass by two bombable walls. But you don't have any bombs at this point. How to get in? You cannot. And: I have not been able to figure out how to access this area again, after you make it to Sanctuary. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

https://cdn.wikimg.net/en/strategywiki/images/1/1e/LoZLttP_Sewer_B1.png

It's that area with the 300 rupees and the arrows etc.

you can re-enter that part of the sewers once you have bombs. forget if it's via the palace, sanctuary, or the graveyard tho.

it's the graveyard. you need the power glove.

it's so bad.

lol I just rewatched that dlh

my dude Kyle or whatever doesn't even use the powerglove at Video Apocalypse or whatever

Video Armageddon, sorry

many things do not add up at video armageddon

the child hunter in that movie is something else

Got stuck pretty early in Link to the Past. I have all the things I need right now, I think, and even came across a conspicuous book in the library, but apparently I have to use my ramming speed power to knock it down? Psh. I never would have tried that. Once I get that book I believe the rest of the game will open up.

i don't know where anything actually is anymore due to watching/playing too many randomizers

― ciderpress, Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Same!

I was in GAME yesterday eye-ing up the different Switch bundles. Last time I bought a new machine, it was a SNES in 1995 and I have NO IDEA what I'm doing,but I'd probably get a Zelda bundle because I like JRPGs. That said, I'm worried about buying a Switch and then regreting not having got a PS4 instead. I like the idea that it's portable, but as is sometimes a critique of Nintendo, the games on offer felt a little bit kiddy on the whole, and there seemed to be less choice and range. That said, I'm far from an experienced gamer and I can imagine Zelda alone lasting months for me.

I wouldn't really call Zelda a JRPG (I *love* Zelda and don't much care for JRPGs); it's more of an action-adventure series with some light RPG elements. I can confirm that Breath of the Wild will last you months; I sunk about 250+ hours into it over a span of half a year.

as is sometimes a critique of Nintendo, the games on offer felt a little bit kiddy on the whole, and there seemed to be less choice and range

you're not wrong on both counts exactly, but i guess the counter-arguments are that 1) even if they do tend towards an all-ages aesthetic, nintendo games tend to be exquisitely-designed and are usually very, very good, and 2) while you do have more to choose from on ps4, an awful lot of what you can choose from is shit

xpost I am also not a particularly experienced gamer, but I think I can give you an honest opinion. I own both a Switch and a PS4, and I can say without question that the PS4 is clearly superior. It plays better, it has a better catalog of games, the variety and quality of those games is better, prices on those games are soooooo much better. In fact, the reason I bought my PS4, having never played anything but Nintendo systems in the past (starting with the original), is because I was relatively disappointed with the Switch. Because I'd only ever played Nintendo games (in the post Atari/Colecovision era), everything I see on Playstation just blows my mind, even games that are several years old. However, and this is a big however, while I think the Switch catalog is kind of kid-oriented and pretty thin on essential exclusives, some of those exclusives - MarioKart, Breath of the Wild, a couple of others - are so good and so much fun they just about justify the Switch by themselves. Therefore I can also honestly recommend the Switch as a great *supplement* to the Playstation, a way to play a handful of those must-have exclusives (portably, if you want) and also a great machine for all those indies out there. If Switch were not portable I don't think I would play it as much, but because it is I think I've put more hours into the system than I have into any of the other Nintendo systems I've owned since the original (GameCube and Wii, specifically). So in summary, if you can swing it, get both! If you can only get one but your time is at a premium, consider the Switch. If you can only get one, and you have more time to sit on the couch, PS4.

xpost There is sooooooo much shit on the Switch, too! Check out the eShop lately? Even if you stuck with PS4 exclusives, like Last of Us, God of War, Bloodborne, Uncharted series, Spider-man, Horizon Zero Dawn, and so on, you're good for probably a few years' worth of quality entertainment, at least (at least at my pace, lol). And that's not mentioning all the stuff that's available on all systems *but* the Switch, if they are your thing, from the most recent Resident Evil to Tomb Raiders to Dark Souls, and so on. Almost all available for practically pocket change.

so much stuff that I want to play on Switch and haven't got the time to

Got stuck pretty early in Link to the Past. I have all the things I need right now, I think, and even came across a conspicuous book in the library, but apparently I have to use my ramming speed power to knock it down? Psh. I never would have tried that. Once I get that book I believe the rest of the game will open up.

― Josh in Chicago

That seems like something I got stuck at on my first play through.

it's true that the most realistic murder simulators aren't available on switch, but you can still be satisfied crushing a lynel's head with an monstrous axe in BOTW

[MT. TAMARANCH THEME]

lol I have a tremendous backlog on both systems. But yes, if you want shooting and stuff - or I dunno, want shooting and stuff with no blood, MCU-style - then Switch is for you. Unless you want shooting and blood, in which case there are plenty of Switch options, too.

Thanks JiC. Yes, I'm far from an experienced gamer. I've really loved having a SNES Mini to go back to my youth and replay old games, but I've exhausted it and I want to get into the 21st century. I have a terrible secondhand television with bad sound and a lousy living room that I don't like being in, which is why a portable device is appealing. My favourite games on the SNES are Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Super Metroid, Yoshi's Island, but especially the first two and I like the idea of games that absorb you into a story, a bit like a playable book I guess?

i have played maybe 10 minutes of games on my PS4 since i bought a switch last year, and that was only because the joycon was in for repairs