END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

I think its dumb as hell for bernie supporters and warren supporters to be at each others’ throats. Either one at the top of a dem ticket would be an incredible achievement

― treeship., Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:31 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTM, though at least on Twitter it does feel lately like 90% of the vitriol is coming from the former group.

Stenting probably won't change Bernie's prospects, but it will give him some relief from angina. Someday I might get Dr. McDougall's "Do Not Cath, I Will Sue" tattoo.

https://politics.theonion.com/sanders-attributes-recovery-to-thousands-of-small-blood-1838706607?__twitter_impression=true

To be clear, I was citing where I was seeing chatter about the cookbook online since I'd never heard of it before.

why settle

I think its dumb as hell for bernie supporters and warren supporters to be at each others’ throats. Either one at the top of a dem ticket would be an incredible achievement

― treeship., Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:31 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTM, though at least on Twitter it does feel lately like 90% of the vitriol is coming from the former group.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, October 2, 2019

The fans fight because the two campaigns have much in common.

at least on Twitter it does feel lately like 90% of the vitriol is coming from the former group.

maybe bcz that's the group that loses when the MSM says "they're the same ideologically"

Having won acclaim, tenure, and two Senate campaigns on domestic matters means that Warren's foreign policy, insofar as she's got one, looks like received ideas/Dem boilerplate. That's where I lean toward Bernie, and it'll catch up to her. She's demonstrated she's a fast learner, though, faster than I thought.

if Bernie wins, his VP choice suddenly becomes...important.

bahgawd, is that...is that Stacey Abrams' music?

2020 will be a slobberknocker

All the best to Bernie and hope he's back on the campaign soon. At this point the left seems to be winning, him and Warren combined makes the left seem really strong AND still able to have discussions about details. Angry people tweeting don't ruin that. Although they really are stupid and annoying.

the nathan robinson piece about warren was pretty terrible, and he’s gone full-pocahantas on twitter. bad look

fwiw Warren herself is on the young side of old, but the health scares are different for women. Shit like this is why my ideal candidate would've been Sanders as a woman of 58 named Bernadette Sanders.

go on

don't tell SNL, Baldwin will do it

already DMed him on Twitter

the nathan robinson piece about warren was pretty terrible, and he’s gone full-pocahantas on twitter. bad look

― flopson, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 11:28 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nathan robinson used to suck ass at writing, now he just sucks ass

xp to al
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The nathan robinson piece showed he is practiced in the art of concern trolling.

even when i've agreed with him (cf. his jordan peterson piece) his writing is just... unendurable

Like, i get people prefer sanders, i do too but it’s close, but the idea of her nomination is not “very worrying.” She would be far better than an establishment democrat. Also, the current occupant of the white house wants to use alligators and snakes against desperate migrants and also shoot them in the legs.

As bad as Robinson’s writing is, his voice and mannerisms are worse. He’s a fedora away from m’lady.

he wears a fedora. that's not the problem with him though.

NJR gives me maddox.xmission vibes. also slatestarcodex/scott alexander vibes if any of u read him

Something to be said for SSC imo.

there are meaningful differences between Sanders and Warren that need to be hashed out now, while we're having a primary. Warren has already backpedaled on M4A, and she gave a BS answer re: foreign policy. I don't trust her not to bomb Iran. But she's the only other Democrat I would even consider voting for (I don't live in a swing state).

President Bernie Sanders is an unparalleled possibility and one worth fighting for while there is still time.

I don't trust her not to bomb Iran.

lol ok

I dont think thats an lol

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Yeah yikes, its really not a good luck for Warren. call me whatever you want though. but maybe don't come into the room saying drop out and support my candidate immediately after the news drops that Bernie is having health problems.

Her claim doesn't need cred, I don't think anyone doubts that. It would be cool if she used it as a teaching moment about the way white people (particularly of certain regions) received family lore about Native American ancestry and how that relates to the history of colonization and subjugation. "It's real fucked up that I was raised to think this was part of our heritage and how that obscured the way we were living on stolen land."

She hasn’t taken the risky stands against military aggression Sanders has. An important reason to back him—i agree.

I just don’t like the “total war” tenor of these debates on social media, with the two campa of supporters accusing each other of the worst things possible.

Yeah I know it’s not making any friends, but tell me how this is ok warren supporters:

https://youtu.be/SLI3SU33tIc

it's absolutely a lol. We just had the most Iran-bombing-est guy in the fucking Trump WH and even he couldn't get it done before getting fired, even with handy provocations immediately on-hand to use as an excuse.

The fact is practically everyone in the American military command chain knows that the US bombing Iran would be a total disaster, and there's no appetite for it. Funnily enough, Iran knows this too.

I can't envision any scenario where Warren becomes such a bloodthirsty warmonger that she manages to lead the entire American military into a fight they don't want and know they can't win. It's more likely that Iran and Israel wage a proxy war.

xps

flappy is fully redpilled

I just don’t like the “total war” tenor of these debates on social media, with the two campa of supporters accusing each other of the worst things possible.

― treeship., Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:16 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yup. I ride for Bernie, but if Warren gets the nom, she'll still be by far the best democratic nominee in my voting life in terms of aligning with my politics, so I'd really rather not tear her down completely, especially since I do think the stakes of getting Trump out of office are higher than just moving politics to the left. The Native American issue is real and I'm not minimizing it, but also (1) she apologized, and (2) the actual amount of harm done is pretty minimal.

I like Bernie but Bernie or die supporters need to reign it the fuck in. holy shit.

NARRATOR: they did not reign it in

Warren has called for pulling out of Afghanistan. She seems about as much a creature of the national security "blob" as Obama was. There will be drone strikes as the War on Terror is eternal, but the consensus within the blob has turned pretty strongly against the support for regime change that lead to involvement in the Libya and Syria quagmires. Warren doesn't seem too enthused about a close relationship with Saudi Arabia and UAE.

Just make sure Samantha Powers is kept far, far away from any appointed/advisory role.

The whole "Bernie's supporters are so rude" shit is such a cliche cudgel against the left. Sorry we're mostly younger and poorer, so this shit actually matters to us unlike you assholes who want to treat politics like a polite garden party and call each other "sir" and "madam" while people die in the gutter.

Fuck you

well that escalated quickly

nothing like ad hominem attacks to bring us all together lol

The whole "Bernie's supporters are so rude" shit is such a cliche cudgel against the left. Sorry we're mostly younger and poorer, so this shit actually matters to us unlike you assholes who want to treat politics like a polite garden party and call each other "sir" and "madam" while people die in the gutter.

― OneSecondBefore, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:01 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh my fucking god log off

Some of us who are pretty comfortable financially still live in a country that murdered our great-grandparents for existing, have gone through situations that were dangerous to us solely because of our heritage, and have children who will have to navigate an environment of re-energized, state sanctioned racism, so get your head out of your goddamned ass and stop telling me what I do and don't care about, you insufferable jackass.

This is why allies like are aren't worth shit.

like YOU, that was meant to say

I really don't find this to be unique to Bernie-or-die supporters fwiw, plenty of nasty mud gets slung at Bernie. I just think generally speaking there's plenty of criticizing and feet-to-the-fire-holding that can be done without trying CANCEL the person who may very well become the democratic nominee in a high stakes election

xp what are you guys having at your autumn harvest party btw, anything good

I mean there are Bernie-or-die people and there are also death-before-Bernie people.

Sorry, I did get a little too heated there. Just having a bad day and very tired of rehashing the whole "bernie supporters are monsters" thing.

they aren't monsters, but they are definitely way over the top in a way that no one should be for any politician that you aren't actively fucking or waiting for an inheritance from.