As soon as the argument strays away from the legitimate concern of megastudios dominating theaters and narrowing opportunities for filmmakers, these complaints seem to very rapidly lose focus in their scramble to document the narcissism of small cinematic differences.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
lol narcissism
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
martel otm about the experience of watching them but aren't the actions scenes in all of these films done by one team?
― devvvine, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
It's just kinda sad to me that people who are no longer in like their teens or early twenties feel so compelled to stridently stake out a side wrt 'high' vs. 'low' culture, as if it's impossible to appreciate (and critique) the broader spectrum.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link
I don't know that there's ever been clarity on who directs what.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
More like it's impossible for there to even be a broader spectrum in this environment, but point taken on me not being in my 20s anymore.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
i mean in all these cases the directors have been asked their opinion. also these films, the monopolisation of disney and obsession with ip development across studios are crushing out the rest of the spectrum while their fans demand we all acquiesce to their worthiness
― devvvine, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link
(Re-poll this question btw)
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link
The directors don’t have to give these opinions, it’s possible to dodge a question! Or they could make the economic argument that ppl here want them to be making, but which they aren’t — they’re dissing their fellow filmmakers on aesthetic grounds, which is why it’s interesting that they’re “going there.”
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
guess what losers it's been an aesthetic game all along, culture plays the long game!!!!!
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
Almodovar has just released a "superheros don't fuck" opinion
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
guess these nerds should have been reading kracauer instead of editing wikipedia pages on inter-media appearances of fifth-tier stan lee characters!
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
xp from april i believe, so not jumping on the bandwagon
― devvvine, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
the glove is a football
teamwork is cooperation
self-sacrifice is the ultimate virtue! a true message for the ages
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:24 AM
I've been thinking this, new thread for Phase 4 & beyond, repoll, etc.
― Galangal Baker (WmC), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link
― devvvine, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 bookmarkflaglink
A timely revive as I've been watching a few films by A
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
And you just go cool posting as he always does
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
― YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
many xps but Martel has every right to talk about superhero films as she was interviewed to direct a marvel movie and opted out earlyhttps://www.indiewire.com/2018/12/lucrecia-martel-marvel-offer-black-widow-sexist-dont-worry-action-scenes-1202027524/
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link
oh, never mind; wins beat me to it.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link
The directors don’t have to give these opinions, it’s possible to dodge a question!
what a weird thing to want them to do.
"You want my opinion on the series of films that have completely reshaped the industry I work in and redefined the forseeable future of how movies are made, shown, and seen? Welllll, what's one person's opinion in the grand scheme of things, the important thing we can all agree on is that watching movies is fun and all movies are movies! I like my popcorn with extra butter!"
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link
Asking Martin Scorsese a question about movies and him dodging the question or simply saying no comment is something that would never happen btw.
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
Where did I say I “wanted” them to do that? I said it was interesting that they didn’t (which is why we’re talking about it)
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
Considering how much the personal style of the filmmakers involved is mostly subsumed and made invisible by the demand for consistency in the films I don’t even know how any of them can take it very personally. Scorsese et al are basically being a little agnostic about a corporation not an individual.
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
Much like the marvel films themselves, I looking forward to this whole thing never running its course
― YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
xxp apologies if i misread how you meant your post morrisp - like a marvel movie, this thread is busy and long and i dont always keep track of the characters well
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
the forseeable future of how movies are made, shown, and seen?
for the love of fucking christ
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
“Kore-eda san, thank you for coming to talk with us. My first and only question is what did you think of the scarlet witch?”“Well, I—““WHY WONT YOU LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS”
― YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CFc7s4aDlM
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
It seems like half of what Disney & co. are taking offense at is in feeling erased as individuals and being treated like a corporation.
"When Francis uses the words, 'those films are despicable', to whom is he talking?" he quizzed, reeling off a list of names, including Kevin Feige, Marvel's newly-promoted Chief Creative Officer, directors Taika Watiti and Ryan Coogler, as well as MCU stars Scarlett Johansson, Chadwick Boseman, and Robert Downey Jr, as examples.
https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/10/23/disney-ceo-bob-iger-defends-marvel-movies-after-disrespectful-attacks-from-scorsese-and-coppola
― jmm, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
corporations are people iirc
― devvvine, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
MODOK IS GENIUS!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
Honestly, most of these complaints probably should be leveled at Kevin Feige. He's too good at what he does, and I maintain that when he moves on from shepherding the MCU, we will see a marked decline in the fortunes of the superhero film. I mean, see pretty much every superhero film he doesn't handle, some of which do quite well at the BO but which generally don't have the guiding hand to make continued success (via sequels, bumbling attempts at universe-building, etc.) sustainable.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
editing wikipedia pages on inter-media appearances of fifth-tier stan lee characters!Literally the only Stan Lee character I can think of is Stripperella (unless you count Funky Flashman), imagine even one tier below that having a wikipedia There is a cross-media section though, right enough:
Originally there was to have been a promotional Stripperella comic published by Les Humanoïdes Associés (publishers of Métal Hurlant magazine) alongside the animated series, but creative differences between Spike TV and Pamela Anderson saw it canceled before publication.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
for the love of fucking christI saw a technicolor print of Leave Her To Heaven about this time last year. When do you think anyone is going to be able to do that again?
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/disney-classic-fox-library-repertory-bookings-1202170485/
― devvvine, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
Next Tuesday.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
I mean apart from anything else, 'last year' is the middle of Phase 3, so the iron gates that means that superhero films have blocked all other movies should be even more in effect then than now.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
(unless you're talking about what devvvine linked, which is indeed shithousery, but nothing related to what I was responding to)
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
Disney reshaping exhibition in a whole variety of ways is what you were responding to, though.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
this stuff is not changing back anytime soon
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
So your contention is that, in the context of the Scorcese argument, One Eye Open said "the series of films" when he meant "Disney's rep and small new releases policy"?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
The weight of this series of films is a significant contributor to Disney’s closing off of lesser profit streams, yes. They would rather spend person-hours on $300MM films that they expect to make $1B than to keep employing people who rent out films for $1000 a shot. It’s the hegemonic nature of these films that allows them to demand a higher percentage of receipts, even though (as linked) this is actually driving exhibitors out of business. Their demands on exhibitors for their series-sized films specifically do stop smaller films from being seen, even when “smaller” means big expensive colourful action-filled family-friendly adventures, as with Paddington 2 and Black Panther.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
There's probably something to be said for distinguishing among these claims/critiques:
― rob, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:48 (four years ago) link
A respite and then there’s an 18 month span coming up in which we’ll get six new marvel movies
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
And we were singing bye bye miss American pie
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
xpyeah it's not a good defense lol
― rob, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
Speaking as an unabashed fan of Marvel, I could easily cobble together a half dozen barbed critiques of the MCU with more substance than those voiced by many of the folks who actively loathe the MCU. The maverick filmmaker cognoscenti should hire sic and Ward Fowler for their talking points, imo.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
eeeeeaaaaasily
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
All the things on rob’s list are inarguably correct perfectly valid reasons to criticise these things and, as sic says and andrew seems to be denying, they are not unrelated to each other
― YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link