xpyeah it's not a good defense lol
― rob, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
Speaking as an unabashed fan of Marvel, I could easily cobble together a half dozen barbed critiques of the MCU with more substance than those voiced by many of the folks who actively loathe the MCU. The maverick filmmaker cognoscenti should hire sic and Ward Fowler for their talking points, imo.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
eeeeeaaaaasily
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
All the things on rob’s list are inarguably correct perfectly valid reasons to criticise these things and, as sic says and andrew seems to be denying, they are not unrelated to each other
― YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
maverick filmmaker cognoscentiI mean, I cited the studio’s highest-grossing film of the decade
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
I was, ftr, not snarking! When a reporter approaches let's say a Wong-Kar Wai about his thoughts on the latest Marvel film, it would be a boon if he were able to consult with you and refine some sound talking points beforehand so he isn't forced to extemporize all like 'these superheroes today with their rocking and a-rolling and hipping and hopping, Batman punching Spider-Man in Riverdale...it's all just noise!'
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link
Did we miss Ken Loach? There's almost enough for a poll pretty soon: Loach said of superhero films: “I find them boring. They’re made as commodities … like hamburgers … It’s about making a commodity which will make profit for a big corporation – they’re a cynical exercise. They’re a market exercise and it has nothing to do with the art of cinema.”
Loach said of superhero films: “I find them boring. They’re made as commodities … like hamburgers … It’s about making a commodity which will make profit for a big corporation – they’re a cynical exercise. They’re a market exercise and it has nothing to do with the art of cinema.”
lmao what a hypocrite btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJp6tBoa9JI
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
They're not entirely unrelated, but at worst they spring from "these films are very popular", which isn't the angle Scorcese et al are taking.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
putting aside the more interesting critiques raised in this thread, there's an implication here that man, anyone could do it if they just set aside their principles and devotion to the craft which, uh, Dark Phoenix and F4 and Justice League and etc etc called and they'd like you to know they tried that and where is their cookie?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
the angle Scorcese et al are taking.
1) the angle he's taking? he was asked at the end of a 3000-word career-retrospective piece if he had watched Captain Marvel for tips on de-aging software before making The Irishman, and, concluding an interview where he had repeatedly praised multiple films that he thinks are great and influential and worthwhile, said that made-by-committee superhero films aren't to his taste.
2) of course they wouldn't care about some bad films if the market wasn't unbalanced towards them. neither Loach nor Coppola nor Scorsese have ever been clickbaited for slagging DTV trash, and Coppola always urged amateurs to use cheap video technology to get out and start making something.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
If he had merely said they "weren't to his taste," we wouldn't be having this conversation!
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
do you really think that in the context of the interview he was any more extreme than that?
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link
"that's not cinema" is fairly extreme!
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link
bazin to thread to settle this
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
Like, imagine you are Anna Boden or Taika Waititi or Favreau or a Russo Brother, and Scorcese says of your stuff -- "It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being." That's hardcore!
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link
Seriously, they've been inconsolable for days.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:16 (four years ago) link
OTOH, WGAF about what Scorsese considers (dons beret) AH-SIN-AY-MAHHHH! (chef kiss)
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
a) this is correct, it is about superhumans and cartoon gods
b) p sure Waititi and Boden know that their Marvel work is not the same as Mississippi Grind or Boy
c) compare it to everything he says about other films in the same interview.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:19 (four years ago) link
I've only read the press excerpts of what he said about the Marvel films! What else does he say isn't cinema?
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:29 (four years ago) link
(I GAF solely b/c what he and Coppola said seems so harsh, and it's interesting to me that they would say it... but if they say that kinda stuff all the time, then I admit it's not so interesting!)
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:30 (four years ago) link
p sure Waititi and Boden know that their Marvel work is not the same as Mississippi Grind or Boy
Yep. Esp considering, based on anecdotal evidence, we can at least guess (at least for Boden/Fleck) there are chunks of the movie they flat out did not direct.
― Simon H., Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/IVar7ME.jpg
I've been a Marvel Zombie since 1972, but Scorsese's not entirely wrong.
― Galangal Baker (WmC), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:42 (four years ago) link
xp It’s still gotta sting a little!
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 00:48 (four years ago) link
Coppola is the exemplar of the "one for them, one for me" philosophy. He knows that taking a commissioned job doesn't necessarily say anything about a filmmaker's personal work.
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
that said, I'd hate to be the director on the end of this stinging rebuke from the big man:
"It was considered that I had made Apocalypse Now and I'm like a Marty Scorsese type of director, and here I am making this dumb Disney film with Robin Williams. But I was always happy to do any type of film."
oooohh, shots fired!
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
it is about superhumans and cartoon gods
this is mostly where the films fall a bit flat for me, i guess. they're mostly entertaining, i'm pretty deferential to them, and i consider at least Ragnarok to be some kind of masterpiece. but they don't really move me or really make me care that much.
― omar little, Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
"But I was always happy to do any type of film."
Worth noting he filed for bankruptcy three times between 1990 and 1992 thanks to taking risks on stuff like One From the Heart.
― Simon H., Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
Francis Ford CaptainEO
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
(Again, before anyone gets butthurt, I hold Coppola in the highest esteem.)(But also: Francis Jack Coppola)
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:33 (four years ago) link
Now he’s flush, cuz he added some wine to that cheese!
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:45 (four years ago) link
Why are we still litigating this?
These are popcorn flicks, do we care that Scorsese feels like they're not Ingmar Bergman flicks
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:49 (four years ago) link
That's an insult to popcorn flicks.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
Not really
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 October 2019 01:53 (four years ago) link
a popcorn flick is not such an ordeal
― j., Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:00 (four years ago) link
Hyperbole on overdrive
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:02 (four years ago) link
Bonnie and Clyde and Jaws and Psycho and Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park were all popcorn flicks.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:13 (four years ago) link
The MCU is the middlebrow Oscarbait dreck of popcorn flicks.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:18 (four years ago) link
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― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:28 (four years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/R4SBb8M/bored.gif
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link
Bluish green is the greatest color on earth! Greenish blue on the other hand makes me projectile vom and anyone who likes it is literally satan, omg u guys
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:47 (four years ago) link
Sunrises fill me with joy! Sunsets otoh are like the goatse of the sky.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
Netflix Originals:MCU::prestige TV:popcorn flicks
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 03:53 (four years ago) link
dang what does that make DC?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
Vudu Originals
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 03:58 (four years ago) link
Things that are round : things that are edible :: things that make noise : things that are flammable
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 03:58 (four years ago) link
eepOppOrkAh ah
And that means Eat my ass
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 October 2019 04:20 (four years ago) link
New bjork album pushing the envelope i see
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 05:22 (four years ago) link
I admit I was not aware of the precise context of Scorsese's comments, and would like to praise the interviewer for the implicit "you know this is some gimmicky shit, right?"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 06:06 (four years ago) link
It’s ok nobody looked at the contextScorsese made a children’s film this decade! He isn’t against them - his mildly stated opinion on these ones should be taken in good faith in the context of a lifetime of extremely catholic (lol) moviegoing. People imagining he’s coming from a place of snooty hauteur are either being disingenuous or actually don’t know anything about who is talking
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 24 October 2019 07:00 (four years ago) link
Disney-Marvel (good), 2019: ooh better make the Ancient One a white woman, we don't want the Chinese government thinking they're Tibetan. Martin Scorsese (bad), 1997: here's my movie about the Dalai Lama, the invasion of Tibet, and the slaughter of its people. Aint I a stinker?— Patrick Marlboroughoul!!! (@Cormac_McCafe) October 22, 2019
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 24 October 2019 07:03 (four years ago) link