I am very sorry that those people exist, but none of them exist on this thread, so Give Us a Fucking Break.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 07:47 (four years ago) link
it is about superhumans and cartoon gods
This bullshit standard would Mean 'Babe: Pig in the City' isn't cinema either, and I won't stand for that!
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 07:58 (four years ago) link
hmm if only there were a relevant difference between beings of superhuman capability and beings without it
― j., Thursday, 24 October 2019 08:03 (four years ago) link
xxp ok, to put a finer point on it: the thread explains why if “Scorsese vs marvel” is really an actual thing that we have to do it’s gonna be Scorsese all day unless you’re a fucking cop 😜
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 24 October 2019 08:47 (four years ago) link
The thing is, for me it's not about Scorsese vs Marvel, and it's been dispiriting to see how few fellow film nerds are able to see past that framing. Of course Scorsese films are better! The thing is, was what he said accurate or not, and it's not. And of course it's harsh! 'That's not cinema!' Coppola called them 'despicable!'. It's okay to agree, and think that Coppola is right to call Taika Waititi the maker of a 'despicable' film, but of course it's a harsh attack on a fellow film maker.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:09 (four years ago) link
xp It's not an actual thing though? He's allowed be a mensch and have a lousy opinion in his old age - it's a blessing he doesn't have more (other than the whole Polanski business, where he hardly stands out).
I look forward to this discourse reaching its final form, where he declares that he's going to make a hiphop track a superhero movie that will show us all, then makes increasingly infrequent references to it in interviews over the next decade.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:10 (four years ago) link
It’s a good opinion I’m afraid
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:25 (four years ago) link
Here's a good opinion: People who rate opinions on whether they are 'good' rather than 'correct' can go fuck themselves.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:28 (four years ago) link
it's a bad opinion i'm afraid
― genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:31 (four years ago) link
Well, you can go fuck yourself, I'm afraid
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:32 (four years ago) link
*lubes up*
― genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:37 (four years ago) link
lol :)
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:38 (four years ago) link
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:42 (four years ago) link
Okay, genie, I guess my second wish will be to undo my first wish for Marvel movies that are good + fun. I thought we were ready but clearly we aren't. We just aren't.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
You can have nothing but marvel movies for the rest of time, but you must pay the ultimate price: some people not liking them
― YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:22 (four years ago) link
wins doing good sisiphyean work itt
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link
lmao wins
― devvvine, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:26 (four years ago) link
Anyone insisting that people have to like Marvel movies is a putz.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:43 (four years ago) link
Scor*s*ese made a children’s film this decade! He isn’t against them - his mildly stated opinion on these ones should be taken in good faith in the context of a lifetime of extremely catholic (lol) moviegoing. People imagining he’s coming from a place of snooty hauteur are either being disingenuous or actually don’t know anything about who is talking
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link
I know he made a children's film this decade, but the moral of that film was 'poor Georges Meliés' so I don't think that disproves him as a filmsnob...
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:01 (four years ago) link
This seems, for whatever reason, to be a topic where nuance can find little purchase.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 12:05 (four years ago) link
Cinéma > Film > Movies > Pictures > FlicksJust taking notes here. Work in progress, probably missed a few...
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
xp Blame the movies that inspired the conversation in the first place.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
Thank u for underscoring my point.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link
You're welcome, stupid.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link
thank u for keeping us entertained between cape operas
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link
we should make a list of all the quality pictures that get wide distribution during this golden age
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:36 (four years ago) link
these superheroes today with their rocking and a-rolling and hipping and hopping, Batman punching Spider-Man in Riverdale...it's all just noise
I look forward to this discourse reaching its final form, where he declares that he's going to make a hiphop track a superhero movie that will show us all
fave recurring absurdity itt is "these movies are like hiphop", because multibilliondollar authoritarian product martin scorsese treated with insufficient respect == revolutionary form of underclass self-expression triggering an orgy of copyright violation and decades of moral panic. they're both for the young u see
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
The Four Elements Of Apple Jacks
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
Yes, that is what I said. I said Marvel movies were like hiphop. You got it exactly right.
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link
argument has gotten recursive so lemme throw this out there: which of the current cycle of superhero movies (let's say since 2008 since that's the Dark Knight/Iron Man marker) most approach "cinema" by the standards of the Scorcese pronouncement?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
Genuine answer: the only one I've seen that seemed to have glimmers of a personality was Ragnarok. But I may have been caught offguard by a lifting headache.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:04 (four years ago) link
I'd say The Dark Knight Rises, but that's because I now hate cinema.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
Of course Scorsese films are better! The thing is, was what he said accurate or not, and it's not. And of course it's harsh! 'That's not cinema!' Coppola called them 'despicable!'. It's okay to agree, and think that Coppola is right to call Taika Waititi the maker of a 'despicable' film, but of course it's a harsh attack on a fellow film maker.This is my precise pov, btw
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
xps Tho if that cliffhanger opening was actually connected to a different Marvel movie in a genuine narrative extension, and not just as a corny fake "last week, in our story" gag, downgrade my opinion a few notches.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
xp I’m most interested in the professional dis/shade aspect of their comments. And how Favreau noted — “I’ve worked with Marty”... I think that’s a subtle “c’mon, man”
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
strongly recommend anyone with any love for superhero movies try this year's Fast Color, which was a joy from either side of the popcorn/cinema dividehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tySUZIiXObc
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
if I were Scorsese and my so-called colleagues called me "Marty" I'd pray for Thanos to vaporize me
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
Especially if it's Jon Favreau
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
Marty's condemned to forever wander the multiverse in search of the Cinema Gem.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
Personally, I haven't proclaimed (and wouldn't proclaim) that any superhero film is High Art so my response to anyone rejecting the notion of superhero films as High Art would be 'you are correct.' My response to anyone painting all superhero films with a broad Worthless Trash brush because they aren't High Art would be 'you are perhaps making a reactionary bad faith argument rn.'
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
now that is solomonic
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
nosing about to answer my own question and realized i forgot Frank Miller's (Sin) Spirit movie existed... i'm gonna have to get real wasted sometime and force myself through as much of it as i can handle... this cast! the music! the outrageously bad script, even in the trailer!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdaVjwEFOEk
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
FTR, I'd easily place 3-4 Coppola films and, despite my appreciation, precisely zero superhero films in my all-time top 50. But also precisely zero Scorsese films would make the cut (sorry, Marty).
― Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link
dropping "marty" in public-- had a professor addicted to this-- is a bogdanovichist thirst move (xps)
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
Jon Favreau in an ascot beside his underage model girlfriend
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link
Fast Color looks interesting - thematically it reminds me of N.K. Jemisin's Broken Earth books. Will definitely check that out.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link
I thought everyone in tha biz calls him “Marty”??
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), 24. oktober 2019 16:00 (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
First of all, it's a bullshit standard. But even going by those standards, all of them pass! All of the superhero films have scenes of 'human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.' And consistently, those are the worst scenes!
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
Marty isn't using "cinema" to connote "high art," though.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link