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Exclude Anglo-American voters.

Tom otm

Trolling aside, I don't disagree with you, Kate, but bringing up this issue on the poll's margins is fair game imho, as is expecting more from music nerds, regardless of their cultural background. I don't know if you voted, incidentally, but you're precisely the kind of ILXor I expect to come up with a fascinating and genuinely diverse ballot.

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok lol I missed this was the thread for meta commentary. pomenitul was it you or imago (or someone else, sorry) who recently said something about the rolling threads not being poptimist so much as genreist? That seemed otm to me and describes my own stance better than poptimism. Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them. I suspect breastcrawl is actually closer to this position too but identifies as a poptimist because his favored genres are global pop (apologies if that's off base, and I know you like other stuff too).

It wasn't me, but that makes some amount of sense, even though I do think poptimism (which I define as a preference for short, catchy *songs* with vocals, which may in fact include rock) is still the main, overrepresented force in these polls and on ILM in general.

this is definitely the right thread to be refighting the poptimism wars in for the 10,000th time

I hope you're not being sarcastic because that is absolutely accurate!

In time we'll move to the second thoughts about second thoughts thread thread.

Don't make permanence out the the throwaway or you will be locked in when the guard goes home.

(I translated this from the Latin in the Wetherspoons inside Lime Street station and it stuck with ever since)

pomtimism

http://www.pomwonderful.com/content/dam/pom/images/product-pomegranate.png

That's the spirit! I do believe my position, which boils down to 'we need MORE aesthetic diversity', is in fact the most optimistic of all.

No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.

― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (four hours ago)

otm

Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them.

Actually, TSJ has quite a few genre specialists, whether in Chilean electro pop, metal, etc.

Every time I go to the supermarket, they blast Keith Rowe and John Tilbury's Duos for Doris, please help!

Die Todliche Doris

My supermarket does play some pretty good music tbf.

My local supermarket, that is.

Jelly.

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I believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.

Mordy, pom, is there room in your critique for acknowledging that the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow? I'm not a country fan, but it belongs on that list too.

the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow

In my critique or in the poll results?

Country only really sells in the US, if you want to narrow things further.

+all electronic music except low-key house music.

my local supermarket got bought by Amazon and since then the music has sucked, except for that one Fleetwood Mac song they seem to play at the same time every evening

I believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.

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― rob,

all good!

♪♩♫ thunder only happens when it's raining ♪♫♪

*water gently sprays onto the produce section*

+all electronic music except low-key house music.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:54 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

selective ignorance of stars of the lid and oneohtrix point never placements

why are we talking about this in this thread again

clearly y'all ain't afraid to express these opinions on the actual thread

everyone knows ILM people can’t see ILE replies and vice versa

what's crazy about SotL is that there are very few electronic/synth elements (at least as far as i could tell from live performance). they do a crazy amount of things with pedals

The two solitudes redux.

xp

many xps to Brad, ok, yeah, bit extreme, there is also some ambient and other various bits and pieces.

but point is that the decade where dubstep happened now has been reduced to just burial on here, certainly nothing fast or harsh or less than 100% tasteful

Ok I'm going to copy/paste the whole thing into the original thread.

why are we talking about this in this thread again

― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

I genuinely felt bad interrupting the rollout with my bathetic "whither ILM" musings, but honestly I'll talk about this wherever people want I swear

pom: in the poll results

Replying to your question from the other thread, rob: most definitely! I'm trying to make a systemic point about the triumph of pop in general but there is obviously room for greater diversity within it as well.

Goddamnit, wrong thread.

♪♩♫ thunder only happens when it's raining ♪♫♪

*water gently sprays onto the produce section*

― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:57 AM (ten minutes ago)

OMG!! that's the song!! I should check the produce section and see if the produce gets sprayed with water when it plays!!! Total game changer!

Huh. My grocery store only plays Tibetan throat singing, Sámi reindeer-herders' yoiks, and didjeriduets.

xp

Achievement: first time intuition aligned with real life

Yessss

my grocery store only plays "breathe your name" by sixpence none the richer

Looks like we need a 'Local supermarket/grocery store, what's on your iPod?' thread.

HAHAHAH

Every time I think you've reached your nadir on this thread, you say something exponentially dumber in your very next post.

fuck all yall off back to yr ilm pit tbh

someone needs more positivity on their iPod today!

Gary Bussy is my porn name

Trolling aside, I don't disagree with you, Kate, but bringing up this issue on the poll's margins is fair game imho, as is expecting more from music nerds, regardless of their cultural background. I don't know if you voted, incidentally, but you're precisely the kind of ILXor I expect to come up with a fascinating and genuinely diverse ballot.

― pomenitul

i don't expect anything from music nerds except for them to like what they like, which people around here are pretty good at. and nah, i haven't even voted in this latest one, i'm pretty busy with other stuff, and my "diversity" mainly at this point has gotten to the point of my name-dropping records nobody else has ever heard of. seriously, what am i going to do, submit a ballot and figure out how to "rank" repetitor's "Sve što vidim je prvi put" in the context of all records released between 2000 and 2009? like i can even remember it exists when i'm not actively listening to it? if i want to promote the record, i can just namedrop it here, right? or i have a thread where i randomly post stuff like that every week or so.

again, i do believe that democracy has its uses but turning people on to serbian punk records or whatever isn't one of them.

honestly you folks are the only people i talk to who don't view my enthusiasm for serbian punk records or whatever as sort of a wacky sitcom running joke. and i'm sure there are some folks here who regard it as such but are too polite to call it out.

lately i'm just not interested in most polls anymore on ilm but ilm is still useful for me bc there are many individual posters with tastes who recommend stuff or submit ballots to polls that turn me onto things i like so polls are useful i guess but i don't care about the rollout just looking at particular poster's nominations and ballots.

so otm— i can usually get useful opinions to try to triangulate an opinion reasonable to me. not necessarily correct, usually useful, not infrequently amazingly helpful.

I’m absolutely mystified when anyone professes love for Destroyer. Everything about Bejar’s music bugs the living shit out of me. I feel like it puts the lie to Wilde’s dictum that all bad [art] is sincere. He just comes off like the high-school poet-rebel who ended up as an obnoxious, pretentious drunk in middle age. What am I missing?