this is definitely the right thread to be refighting the poptimism wars in for the 10,000th time
― genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
I hope you're not being sarcastic because that is absolutely accurate!
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
In time we'll move to the second thoughts about second thoughts thread thread.
Don't make permanence out the the throwaway or you will be locked in when the guard goes home.
(I translated this from the Latin in the Wetherspoons inside Lime Street station and it stuck with ever since)
― saer, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
pomtimism
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
http://www.pomwonderful.com/content/dam/pom/images/product-pomegranate.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
That's the spirit! I do believe my position, which boils down to 'we need MORE aesthetic diversity', is in fact the most optimistic of all.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
No jazz, no so-called 'world' music, no classical, no 'experimental', etc., and the real cause for dismay is the supposed lack of pop.
― pomenitul, Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:16 AM (four hours ago)
otm
― Mordy, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
Like the generic, linguistic, and geographic narrowness of (much of) pitchfork and these poll results bugs me, but I also don't get much out of, say, the Singles Jukebox's open-eared but naive--I don't mean that pejoratively--approach; I prefer to hear about specific scenes from people steeped in them.
Actually, TSJ has quite a few genre specialists, whether in Chilean electro pop, metal, etc.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
Every time I go to the supermarket, they blast Keith Rowe and John Tilbury's Duos for Doris, please help!
Die Todliche Doris
― sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
My supermarket does play some pretty good music tbf.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
My local supermarket, that is.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Jelly.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
xpostI believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.
Mordy, pom, is there room in your critique for acknowledging that the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow? I'm not a country fan, but it belongs on that list too.
― rob, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
the version of "pop" represented here is dismayingly narrow
In my critique or in the poll results?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
Country only really sells in the US, if you want to narrow things further.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
+all electronic music except low-key house music.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
my local supermarket got bought by Amazon and since then the music has sucked, except for that one Fleetwood Mac song they seem to play at the same time every evening
― sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
I believe you! I probably shouldn't have tried to pick an example since TSJ is if nothing else a shifting collection of individuals not a monolith. What I was hoping to express is that I genuinely admire TSJ's wide-open approach; it's basically unique right now afaict and is much better example of poptimism than the caricatured version pilloried around here lately. But the panel format often doesn't work for me. Given my own crit preferences and areas of special interest, I get easily annoyed when a writer is clearly hearing something they're unfamiliar with and is unable to situate the song in its local context. I used to assume "I don't like TSJ," but the idea of genreism struck me as a more useful explanation.
.
― rob,
all good!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
♪♩♫ thunder only happens when it's raining ♪♫♪
*water gently sprays onto the produce section*
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:54 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
selective ignorance of stars of the lid and oneohtrix point never placements
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
why are we talking about this in this thread again
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
clearly y'all ain't afraid to express these opinions on the actual thread
everyone knows ILM people can’t see ILE replies and vice versa
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
what's crazy about SotL is that there are very few electronic/synth elements (at least as far as i could tell from live performance). they do a crazy amount of things with pedals
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
The two solitudes redux.
xp
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
many xps to Brad, ok, yeah, bit extreme, there is also some ambient and other various bits and pieces.but point is that the decade where dubstep happened now has been reduced to just burial on here, certainly nothing fast or harsh or less than 100% tasteful
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
Ok I'm going to copy/paste the whole thing into the original thread.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:58 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
I genuinely felt bad interrupting the rollout with my bathetic "whither ILM" musings, but honestly I'll talk about this wherever people want I swear
pom: in the poll results
― rob, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Replying to your question from the other thread, rob: most definitely! I'm trying to make a systemic point about the triumph of pop in general but there is obviously room for greater diversity within it as well.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
Goddamnit, wrong thread.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
♪♩♫ thunder only happens when it's raining ♪♫♪*water gently sprays onto the produce section*― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:57 AM (ten minutes ago)
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:57 AM (ten minutes ago)
OMG!! that's the song!! I should check the produce section and see if the produce gets sprayed with water when it plays!!! Total game changer!
― sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link
Huh. My grocery store only plays Tibetan throat singing, Sámi reindeer-herders' yoiks, and didjeriduets.
― solos that go widdly widdly widdly (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
xpAchievement: first time intuition aligned with real lifeYessss
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
my grocery store only plays "breathe your name" by sixpence none the richer
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
Looks like we need a 'Local supermarket/grocery store, what's on your iPod?' thread.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link
HAHAHAH
― sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link
Every time I think you've reached your nadir on this thread, you say something exponentially dumber in your very next post.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
fuck all yall off back to yr ilm pit tbh
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
someone needs more positivity on their iPod today!
― sarahell, Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
Gary Bussy is my porn name
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
Trolling aside, I don't disagree with you, Kate, but bringing up this issue on the poll's margins is fair game imho, as is expecting more from music nerds, regardless of their cultural background. I don't know if you voted, incidentally, but you're precisely the kind of ILXor I expect to come up with a fascinating and genuinely diverse ballot.
― pomenitul
i don't expect anything from music nerds except for them to like what they like, which people around here are pretty good at. and nah, i haven't even voted in this latest one, i'm pretty busy with other stuff, and my "diversity" mainly at this point has gotten to the point of my name-dropping records nobody else has ever heard of. seriously, what am i going to do, submit a ballot and figure out how to "rank" repetitor's "Sve što vidim je prvi put" in the context of all records released between 2000 and 2009? like i can even remember it exists when i'm not actively listening to it? if i want to promote the record, i can just namedrop it here, right? or i have a thread where i randomly post stuff like that every week or so.
again, i do believe that democracy has its uses but turning people on to serbian punk records or whatever isn't one of them.
― Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
honestly you folks are the only people i talk to who don't view my enthusiasm for serbian punk records or whatever as sort of a wacky sitcom running joke. and i'm sure there are some folks here who regard it as such but are too polite to call it out.
― Spironolactone T. Agnew (rushomancy), Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
lately i'm just not interested in most polls anymore on ilm but ilm is still useful for me bc there are many individual posters with tastes who recommend stuff or submit ballots to polls that turn me onto things i like so polls are useful i guess but i don't care about the rollout just looking at particular poster's nominations and ballots.
― Mordy, Friday, 25 October 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link
so otm— i can usually get useful opinions to try to triangulate an opinion reasonable to me. not necessarily correct, usually useful, not infrequently amazingly helpful.
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Friday, 25 October 2019 02:12 (four years ago) link
I’m absolutely mystified when anyone professes love for Destroyer. Everything about Bejar’s music bugs the living shit out of me. I feel like it puts the lie to Wilde’s dictum that all bad [art] is sincere. He just comes off like the high-school poet-rebel who ended up as an obnoxious, pretentious drunk in middle age. What am I missing?
― Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 25 October 2019 04:53 (four years ago) link
Hitler iirc
― sarahell, Friday, 25 October 2019 08:11 (four years ago) link
IDK what you mean and am afraid to ask.
― nashwan, Friday, 25 October 2019 09:31 (four years ago) link
I think my ultimate take is "stop looking for external reasons to explain why people are terrible"
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 25 October 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link
This is more of a 'can't post in poll thread because youtube videos are banned', but I had to comment on this remark:
*broken beats, tho broken bears sounds like an 00s indie band
― thicc elizabeth (voodoo chili), 25. oktober 2019 17:20 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
There's a Danish 00s indie band called The Broken Beats!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d999CYCkAjs
― Frederik B, Friday, 25 October 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link