Star Wars Anthology shit talk (Rogue One, Young Solo, TBD)

they obviously knew they were toast re: Star Wars before the netflix deal came up.

So first they were going to do 'Confederate', but that never got off the ground. Next they were going to do a Star Wars trilogy, but they've given up on that as well. Now they are at Netflix doing... things? People probably need to stop giving these guys money. Oh, and also, how's it going with those seventeen GoT prequel shows?

I thought they were bringing in other showrunners for the GoT prequels, but it's been pretty quiet on that end.

I'll be definitely curious to see what they do for Netflix.

I figure if they adapt a finished book or series, there's a chance it will be good.

Yeah, I mean despite all the rage about the ending, they did do a pretty damn good job of building out Westeros for the first 4-5 seasons.

I'm not sure they'd want to dive back into fantasy already, but I was thinking I wouldn't mind seeing them work with Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive (tho that's dangerous water with a so-far unfinished book series).

yeah but if the same book was adapted by non-idiots it would almost certainly be better

I know it doesn't fit with the tidy narrative going right now, but I don't get this whole repainting of the entire run of GoT as some terrible failure. There were a lot of great seasons before it landed in a steaming pile of shit, and they deserve some of the praise for that.

I just want to take advantage of this digression to mention that I'm just now becoming aware that people were miffed about the GoT ending and that I'm feeling real, real good about having told every GoT cheerleader that I would probably wait and see how they stuck the landing before I gave the show a shot.

(I guess I should have inferred from the cheerleaders' silence after the show wrapped up.)

I just decided to skip the last season. Probably should have also skipped the penultimate season also.

Something can be good without having a good ending.

It's true, many people are awesome even though their end is a rear.

especially television xp

Is the new Rian Johnson trilogy still a thing?

The superfans who chased Kelly Marie Tran off of Twitter sure hope so!

It's very much still a thing.

The show was close to good as long as they just followed what GRRM wrote, and didn't take any important decisions themselves. Then they had to, and it became awful.

The Game of Thrones prequel show at HBO is dead according to what I just read.

RIP, Unstructured Pastime of Thrones

apparently this means there are now no active GoT spin offs. HBO says they still want to do something, but I can see them either 1) waiting several years until nostalgia kicks up 2) just ditching this entirely if they're able to make strides with other series. I"m not sure what happened with this one, the article I read wasn't clear; they had a full staff and a showrunner and everything. Maybe no one was able to write a script.

full cast, I meant.

Maybe no one was able to write a script.

Didn't stop them before.

The whole thing honestly might be toxic at this point. They probably had to commit an insane amount of money to make this new show, and if the connection to GoT wasn't a really positive thing, it might be a really big gamble.

apparently this means there are now no active GoT spin offs.

They announced a new one just yesterday

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/29/20939230/game-of-thrones-spinofff-series-house-of-the-dragons-ordered-hbo-max

Poll on when it gets cancelled?

Can’t wait to see the subscription model they use to lock folks in before they get a look at it

It seems pretty obvious that the main reason they cancelled the first series because they decided to go with this other series. This idea being thrown around that game of thrones is suddenly really unpopular is a weird one.

Nah. If you've already shot a pilot for one show, hired a full cast and crew, you don't normally go 'but let's do a different series!'.

Probably not, no, but I don't suspect is has anything to do with the franchise being "toxic", otherwise they wouldn't announce another show.

Fair enough. Let's say it's still in the process of becoming toxic. Once they cancel this show as they find out there really isn't enough of a show in Fire & Blood (it's basically hundreds of pages of 'my dragon is bigger than yours!), and then just make a cheap Duncan & Egg buddy comedy, which then fails, THEN we can say it's toxic :)

Still, though. A remarkable amount of bad stories about Benioff & Weiss and GoT this week.

get these damn throne games off my goddamn star wars thread!

A War of Stars. A Strike of Empires. A Return of Jedis.

They reshot and recast the original GoT pilot and HBO have shot plenty of pilots (with starry casts and directors) that haven't been picked up

Doesn't really mean anything that they've decided to go with another GoT show

HOW BOUT THAT MANDALORIAN

was not expecting to see Bill Burr in the trailer but here we are

Whoa, I had somehow missed Taika Waititi's involvement:

Series Directed by
Deborah Chow ... (2 episodes, 2019)
Rick Famuyiwa ... (2 episodes, 2019)
Dave Filoni ... (2 episodes, 2019)
Bryce Dallas Howard ... (1 episode, 2019)
Taika Waititi ... (1 episode, 2019)

he is also the ig-88-style killbot

wow only one of those directors is a white man

ig-88-style killbot

this 1.5 seconds had me the most hyped of any star wars stuff I've seen in ages - I was totally obsessed with IG-88 when I was a kid a and the five seconds of screen time in empire didn't come anywhere close to satisfying me.

Also as someone who has zero knowledge of non-film star wars canon, is carbon freezing for transfer by bounty hunters an actual thing? I always thought it was something they did to han solo out of necessity - like fuck it, we've got this carbon freezer, maybe this will work?

totally. see also, obi-wan's "blast helmet plus lightsaber" one-off from the first film, rendered as a standard three-credit tuesday/thursday class with Yoda in the prequels

^^ otm, the carbon freezing thing is what bugged me most about it. BUT given the setting of the show five years after ROTJ, I'm wondering if Boba Fett spent some time telling his bounty hunter buddies how convenient of a method it is before his untimely demise.

Also otm re excitement for IG-11 (iirc). That had me really excited and my 8 year-old nearly jumped off the floor with excitement ("IG-88! IG-88! IG-88!"). And I know it's boring to hear, but it does really make me feel far kinder to the franchise when I get to watch him geek out over it in unexpected ways.

this 1.5 seconds had me the most hyped of any star wars stuff I've seen in ages - I was totally obsessed with IG-88 when I was a kid a and the five seconds of screen time in empire didn't come anywhere close to satisfying me.

Also as someone who has zero knowledge of non-film star wars canon, is carbon freezing for transfer by bounty hunters an actual thing? I always thought it was something they did to han solo out of necessity - like fuck it, we've got this carbon freezer, maybe this will work?

― joygoat, Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:28 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

As an IG-88 fan with zero knowledge of non-film SW canon, might I direct you to the anthology of short stories entitled Tales of the Bounty Hunters, I think you will be pleased by elevation of a certain character's role in the franchise.

Seconded, that book was great. That's the very same story that made me an IG-88 fan.

IG-88 used to freak me out in the Dash Rendar N64 game

I think one of the worst things about Star Wars across the last 40 years has been the steady erosion of believability - as a kid (7 in ‘77) I absolutely felt these movies were glimpses of a larger world, and the idea that we would someday see e.g. the Clone Wars or the Mandalorian on TV would have blown my mind. Sometime around the prequels it devolved into eh, just some starwarsy shit someone made up. The expanded universe bullshit is a major player in that dilution. You could attribute it to me having better critical faculties at 49 than at 7 but I’m not sure you’d be right.

Nah, I think it's a thing with all of this fun junk that gets endlessly spun out without ever really exceeding the bounds of its initial concept. Like I watched The Terminator last night, and it's great! And that's probably all we ever needed! Particularly when each additional iteration acts like the entire universe revolves around the Connor family and whatever robots they happen to be encountering in a given moment. There's a whole world beyond those two people, y'all.

I think the key selling point for carbonite cell was that, aside from presumably low maintenance costs, your captive is suspended with some pained expression ideal for crimelords to show off as a deterrent. It would be weird if throughout the SW Exp-U it had never been used on anyone but Solo, would be cool with seeing it in The Mandalorian.

I think C3P0's comments implied that carbonite freezing was relatively safe and not uncommon, although without referring to bounty hunter captures

The Bespin industrial facility wasn't really set up for freezing people, though. Maybe gases?

If it was a regular practice you'd think crimelords would get creative with it, maybe put their captives in like the Coppertone baby pose before hitting the freeze button, something super humiliating like that.

I'm wondering if Boba Fett spent some time telling his bounty hunter buddies how convenient of a method it is before his untimely demise.

I'm picturing him presenting a paper at a conference where like zuckuss calls him out for using too small of a sample size and storms out while a bunch of young bounty hunters start looking for vc funding and plan their ted talk about disrupting the bounty hunting business