I love Picon biere, and I thought it was one of the few remaining things that you still can't easily buy in the U.S. (a friend brings back a bottle from Paris every few years). Has that changed?
Last night we had some of the Nocino (walnut liqueur) that I brought back from Switzerland in like '06, it's still delicious.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 1 November 2019 15:34 (one year ago) link
still no picon in the u.s. as far as i know
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:48 (one year ago) link
Yeah, you still can't get the original Amer Picon in the U.S., as far as I know. Where are you, Euler?
There are a couple of substitutes that I'm aware of -- the most common is Torani Amer. Also, some people just use other amari, like CioCiaro or Ramazzotti, for recipes that call for Amer Picon.
― jaymc, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:48 (one year ago) link
(CioCiaro is what I've personally used to make Brooklyns and picon bieres.)
― jaymc, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:49 (one year ago) link
ah, thanks, I was struggling with how to use CioCiaro upthread, never thought of using amari boilermaker style
― Book Doula (sleeve), Friday, 1 November 2019 15:52 (one year ago) link
euler is in paris iirc
bigallet china-china is another good substitute--even more pronounced orange flavors than ciociaro.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 November 2019 15:53 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I get the impression that the orange notes are key. Jamie Boudreau (of Canon in Seattle) uses Ramazzotti but mixed with orange bitters and orange tincture.
― jaymc, Friday, 1 November 2019 16:04 (one year ago) link
Golden Moon Distillery in Colorado makes a Picon they claim is faithful to the original recipe:
Golden Moon Amer dit Picon is produced using the finest hand-selected herbs, spices and botanicals available. We have recreated the original processes and acquired the original type of ingredients used by legendary distiller Gaetan Picon to create his amer (bitters) in the 1830’s. Bottled at 78 Proof, Golden Moon Amer dit Picon is the perfect ingredient for the legendary Picon Punch, the Brittany cocktail, and a host of other classic cocktails. It can also be enjoyed by itself.
Looks like they've got distribution local to me, going to see who stocks it.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 1 November 2019 16:18 (one year ago) link
no distro near me but that's awesome!
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 November 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link
yeah I live in Paris
I really like Picon! I've been mixing it with grenadine and soda water, sort of a Picon Punch but without brandy.
I think I need to buy a shaker if I'm gonna keep making cocktails. Stirring it with a butter knife doesn't work that well.
― L'assie (Euler), Friday, 1 November 2019 17:19 (one year ago) link
to get your start with stirred cocktails (as 99% of picon cocktails would be) just get a nice long barspoon and strainer and use a regular pint glass.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:53 (one year ago) link
what is the strainer for? for seeds from a lemon for instance?
― L'assie (Euler), Friday, 1 November 2019 17:55 (one year ago) link
1. put your ingredients in the pint glass2. add ice3. stir until chilled4. strain into a chilled cocktail glass
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:59 (one year ago) link
yeah, if you google image boston shaker vs cobbler shaker you will see that you usually need a strainer for the boston shaker set up. I much prefer the pint glass method.
― Yerac, Friday, 1 November 2019 18:00 (one year ago) link
oh ice, yeah that would be nice, we don't normally have it here (it's something I like usa fridges for) but I could make some.
― L'assie (Euler), Friday, 1 November 2019 18:03 (one year ago) link
I don't bother straining stirred drinks (beyond removing the ice) but yeah, ice is fundamental to most cocktail recipes (apart from the whole room-temperature scaffa thing)
― britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:12 (one year ago) link
I had a picon bierre last night, inspired by this thread, the bar I was in just happens to have it on the first page of their menu. It was very nice and took the edge off the overly hoppy beer they made it with.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 1 November 2019 20:19 (one year ago) link
a picon biere made with a hoppy beer is an interesting idea. i've only ever had it made with, like, kronenbourg.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link
I'm sure there's a better name than "beer negroni" but beer + Campari + vermouth is lovely
― britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link
I've only tried with lighter lager-ish beers though
It would probably be better with kronenbourg. As ever I am a grumpy old bastard who things hops should be in balance with the other flavours.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 1 November 2019 21:34 (one year ago) link
― britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Friday, 1 November 2019 23:36 (one year ago) link
I was give a bottle of Aromes de Montserrat it’s a on the chartreuse spectrum but tastes more cedary. Definitely not great for drink it on its own, what should I mix it into?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 10:00 (one year ago) link
Reading this thread in a fancy resto just having a couple refreshments. ordered fgti's smokey mezcal Montenegro rec. Am fairly uninitiated in mezcal but this is rly lovely!
― one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:37 (one year ago) link
This thread is akin to the floyd - rules!
― one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Friday, 8 November 2019 02:38 (one year ago) link
Picked up bottles of Zucca, CioCiaro, Branca Menta, and Amaro di Angostura in Atlanta this week. The Ango is amazing -- reviews all talk about cinnamon, but what I get is a luscious allspice liqueur. Branca Menta smells like Scope but is rich on the palate. Thumbs up for all four.
― WmC, Sunday, 8 December 2019 04:15 (one year ago) link
you should make my favorite cocktail that has zucca: https://cocktailvirgin.blogspot.com/2011/05/throw-gun-2.html
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 8 December 2019 04:25 (one year ago) link
Nice, I had a shot of the Amaro di Angostura in Indianapolis a few years ago and was impressed.
CAD: I'm not a huge fan of egg-white cocktails, but that looks good.
One of my favorite Zucca cocktails is the house cocktail at a place in my neighborhood called Sportsman's Club: https://chicagoist.com/2014/03/24/behind_the_stick_familiarity_brings.php
(I use Campari in place of the Luxardo Bitter. And any high-proof bourbon or rye will do.)
― jaymc, Sunday, 8 December 2019 06:03 (one year ago) link
Thanks for those recipes. CAD, that Throw the Gun #2 recipe says 1 egg -- does that mean the whole egg? I thought cocktails just used egg whites.
― WmC, Sunday, 8 December 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link
it is indeed a whole egg. there is an entire category of whole-egg drinks historically known as "flips" from which that drink descends.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 8 December 2019 16:59 (one year ago) link
Every now and then, the 2 1/2 decent liquor stores in Tupelo will sneak something new and interesting into stock -- got a bottle of Amaro Montenegro today while I was looking for Everclear.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:08 (one year ago) link
ooh jealous, that was one of my favorites from the Italy trip notes upthread
― sleeve, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:27 (one year ago) link
did you find everclear? It's kind of crazy how much cheaper italian amaros can be in countries outside the US (I mean if you can find them). We took a bottle of aperol from here to the US because it's so much cheaper here.
― Yerac, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:03 (one year ago) link
Everclear itself is sold out everywhere, but one store had plenty of Diesel 190-proof grain spirit. With a name like Diesel, it ought to make some great sanitizer.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:40 (one year ago) link
i had everclear one night in my life. Never again.
― Yerac, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:43 (one year ago) link
A good and relatively simple Montenegro cocktail is the Cobble Hill:
2 oz rye0.5 oz dry vermouth0.5 oz Montenegro
Muddle a couple of cucumber slices in the mixing glass, add other ingredients, and stir with ice. Garnish with a lemon twist.
― jaymc, Saturday, 21 March 2020 21:25 (one year ago) link
love cucumber in cocktails.
― Yerac, Saturday, 21 March 2020 21:33 (one year ago) link
I'll give that a go -- bought a cucumber this afternoon. (Every other salad ingredient was sold out, but an onion-cucumber salad is fine by me.)
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:51 (one year ago) link
My favourite thing to do with Montenegro: https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/01/jackson-cannons-adriatique-aperitif-aperol-orange-juice-amaro-cocktail-recipe.html
― rí an techno (seandalai), Sunday, 22 March 2020 01:21 (one year ago) link
cucumber and whiskey seems very unintuitive to me, meaning... I'll have to try it!
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Sunday, 22 March 2020 02:11 (one year ago) link
Yeah, somehow it works! Also, maybe this is obvious, but the cucumber is strained out of the cocktail. So you're just getting a subtle note of it.
― jaymc, Sunday, 22 March 2020 02:17 (one year ago) link
there's a pizzeria near me that has Elisir Novasalus on the menu and I'll often have one if I end up there for a late lunch. It's pretty crazy.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 March 2020 02:30 (one year ago) link
Drinking this: https://www.cocchi.it/en/wines/dopo-teatro-vermouth-amaro/
It's described as a "vermouth amaro" and I guess that's pretty accurate. Reminds me of Bonal, and I haven't had Punt E Mes but I read someone say it tastes similar. Anyway, it's pretty nice straight over ice.
― mise róna (seandalai), Friday, 7 August 2020 22:52 (eight months ago) link
those vermouth amaro things are funny b/c i feel like they're all separated from regular sweet vermouth by a few degrees of bitterness at best. yet i have ruined a cocktail or two using one of them as a straight replacement for a normal sweet vermouth.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 8 August 2020 01:01 (eight months ago) link
mmm unexpectedly found a bottle of Amaro Lucano at a store I don't usually go to, drinking some on rocks now
― sleeve, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 03:20 (eight months ago) link
Prompted/inspired by erstwhilXor Tep, I've been infusing amari with coconut. I have a large tub of unrefined, very coconutty coconut oil that I wasn't sure what to do with, and this works perfectly. I did some Campari first. A Jungle Bird with pineapple rum and coconut Campari is some good-ass drinking, let me tell you.
Now I've moved on to Amaro di Angostura, which I infused for 3 days and strained this morning. The amaro is delicious, not coconutty until the swallow and then BAM, and will pair up well with rum; but what I'm really looking forward to is the banana bread I'm going to make with Angostura-infused coconut oil instead of vegetable oil.
― (show hidden tics) (WmC), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:37 (seven months ago) link
what ratio of oil to campari did you use?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:36 (seven months ago) link
About 1:3 or 1:4, 3 days of infusing. I put the jar in the oven on Bread Proof setting for about 30 minutes at first so the oil would liquefy and gave it a swirl several times a day. Since then the weather has gotten cold, but I'm not sure if that will slow the flavor transfer on future batches.
― (show hidden tics) (WmC), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:44 (seven months ago) link
holy shit y'all
the description there doesn't do it justice imo, yes it has a straightforward cola/root beer nose but tasting is is wildly complicated, some fernet minty stuff going on, some of that toasted butter flavor, and something I can't identify that's nut-like? pretty bitter as well, I'm enchanted.
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 02:25 (four months ago) link
looking for recipes led me to this fascinating page, sending up the bat-signal for WmC
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 02:29 (four months ago) link