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posts vmic, but i teach at a HS that is 98% latinx. the kids in my lgbt group are more likely to use/self-identify with it, tho not 100%. most of my students in general self-id as mexican. unless there from central america which there are a few. i tend to use latino in class (i teach government) when we're talking politics.

imo it should be pronounced "latinequis" in an extra beto voice

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cupcakke, the other week:

In the video she claims that she’s ashamed of the music she’s released, much of which is extremely sexual: “I feel as though I’m corrupting the youth… I want to go to heaven after this, and I don’t want to go to hell. Just seeing all-age kids at the shows, seeing them sing along to ‘hump me’ and ‘fuck me’ and all this shit, it has torn me apart. I’m just not happy. I don’t want to be around no one right now… It’s wrong. And even if it’s OK for y’all, it’s not OK with me… I want to be normal again.” She thanks fans and apologizes for letting them down.

ilx, the other day:

This is so weird. I kept seeing this thread. Didn’t realize [Doja Cat] is the artist my 12 yo is obsessing over.

― nathom, Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:27 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

your child has good taste

― J0rdan S., Sunday, November 17, 2019 7:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

idk something just doesn't sit right. idk. someone help work this out. what's good what's bad. is it sexist to be mad about this and not eminem? what if i'm mad about eminem too? what if eminem was 20 years ago? should kids be shielded from this kind of self-expression or is it somehow healthy? etc

or is it even racist to complain about these artists? are there white equivalents? self-sexualising pop stars who infantilise their content to some degree? i'm not the person to be speaking about this lol, someone please step in

what are you on about lad

thanks i was gonna ask

two points

a) sexuality in popular music is a shocking new development
b) you kind of have this compulsive urge to contextualize stuff in a way which works for you which is fine if it helps but *shrug* nobody has to engage with everything

pop artists who self-objectify to an extremely explicit degree and sometimes (or often in doja cat's case - cupcakke doesn't really seem to do it) infantilise this with a wAcKy rANdOm aEStHeTiC that seems purpose-built to get young people interested xp

you're quite right though, i needn't care. but i do, think of the kids etc etc there's a reason i posted it here :/

like i said, it's a moral panic that's older than popular music itself, you just attune differently as you get older. one of a parent's jobs might be to negotiate the interface between their kids and culture but i don't think it's culture's job to do that.

also consider why this particular "bad messaging" might worry you amongst all the many, many messages that people get from cultural artefacts that we might consider to be even more negative than sexy sexy sex

also even the youngest person is not just a passive recipient of cultural mind control, hypodermic needle theory is cobblers

it's more aesthetic distaste than moral panic i think, which i agree makes me a large part of the problem

sorry this isn't really meant to be the thread to argue with people's uncool conservative beliefs

no no i welcome it

that said i also kind of think kids should have their internet access restricted, and not just for the obvious reasons

well yeah i don't know if i'd say restricted but people ought to engage with what kids are experiencing and thinking and offer different perspectives and challenge ideas they think are bad, all this with the proviso that hey children will become adults and sooner or later they will do what they want, i'd rather be in dialogue as much as possible

i'm pretty sure that of all the messages i picked up from the culture we swim in since birth "sex is fun" was not the most negative

I think yeah there is a bit of sexism in here in your response, but as someone who was aware of adult men’s attention since she was 11, it’s not the first thing I’d be worrying about.

of course it is necessary to engage with what children are experiencing! but the internet is a place where boundaries and defences can be destroyed very quickly and perhaps not in the most psychologically healthy way. gyac is right to point out that this is by no means limited to the internet. but as i was saying before, children becoming hooked to their phones (and the attendant methods of communication) is perhaps damaging in more subtle, holistic ways regardless

and fwiw i would kick pewdiepie and his ilk the fuck off youtube if i had the power

he, the paul brothers &c are a far, far more malign source of cultural evil than doja cat obv, but i was just surprised to see ilxors making a defence of her aesthetic esp in relation to a preteen audience

sexiness is fine. "moo" is not fine b/c it is irritating af

maybe that is what it boils down to & i'm conflating aesthetics and morals as i feared

Moo was a fun joke, her actual songs are much better.

although...is there an overlap

see y'all later

about a year ago, I was at a friend's birthday party, and for some reason I awkwardly found out that I was the only one that thought the "pepa pig drinks bleach" thing was funny, and the other friends at the party thought it was horrible and scarring for children.

when i was in elementary school kids sang songs about brutally murdering barney. tho tbf i think there has been an uptick in mass murders since we became adults.

someone needs to show the kids it’s not ok to drink bleach!

nirvana, maybe

I thought today that—if trump died of a heart attack in office—i’d feel kind of fucked up/guilty about it because it is something i’ve wished for so badly.

I sure as fuck wouldn't.

i would throw a fuckin party and feel no guilt whatsoever

I’d feel the world was infinitely better off, don’t get me wrong

I'd be cool if he drank bleach tbh

I've had a bottle of champagne waiting for the day he goes to jail or dies. Either one.

• ^^ all these conservative opinions are boring
• trump is alive and he is your president and that's ok, having a decade long emotional response to this is nagl imo
• socialism is incel economics
• whoever said boomers and gen x are indistinguishable was otm you guys watch snl and listen to the eagles
• thank you for loving esby

leaning into the character doesn't make these posts any moe palatable

"more"

at least you can spell

i think ilx should stop worrying so much about trump who is bad but not ahistorically so and will be gone soon enough

socialism iow using the state to provide ppl w/ support + a safety net is a perfectly ok thing and the idea that we all should be strong enough to stand without any support at all is sociopathic

boomers + gen x are indistinguishable, or infuriating gen x'ers with that challop is funny enough that i'll cosign despite not totally seeing it (boomers are an expansive malthusian consumption machine, gen x'ers are cellophane cynics)

i do love esby ty for posting literally anything but post after post of trump impersonations + bitter jeremiads about how terrible everything is

I have to talk my mom and bro down a lot of the time w/r/t trump, because their moaning feels vv defeatist and also none of the links to articles warning about this is how the nazis came to power I see on FB are helpful and are usually irrelevant. and the genuine pain that non-white ppl are going thru can stand on its own as a separate and very different form of suffering and should not be compared to a genocide that killed 12 million bc then others can always correctly point to the fact that what’s happening now isn’t the same thing and isn’t as “bad” which is beside the point of course but nevertheless.

Trump is a pos imo but I’m also white btw and compared to the people he’s targeting and who feel the psychological weight of being considered less than human by a segment of the population (let alone feel daily microaggressions) things have of course sure been “ok” for me. My exhaustion w/people freaking out is bc it feels like helplessness and weakness as if more than half the country didn’t want trump out of office...so idk get confident stupid, or at least act it.

This isn’t aimed necessarily at anyone in this thread ftr.

i think that's otm though. and I also think there's this fetishism for defeatism where much of the news being shared is sketchy and fact-deficient, and if you point this out, you get backlash as if you're legitimizing what Trump's doing or being insensitive by simply saying "ok...THAT'S a stretch".

and to your point I don't think it helps those who are more directly impacted if we're up our own asses 24/7 (I'm also wite btw).

Everyone is directly impacted. Some more severely than others. But climate change, crippling medical debt, gun violence—no one is immune from the destruction wrought by the republican party.

Except maybe billionaires.

I’m a very privileged person and I’d never say I wasn’t. But it’s not like the nihilism of a major political party doesn’t impact me. And I hope trump dies but i feel bad about hoping that.

i don't think anybody's saying we're not all impacted, but some of us are impacted more than others ,and those of us that are more privileged can help the less privileged more by standing up and fighting rather than cowering in fear because we're in a better position to do so.

this idea that wishing something matters is more of a cool magical belief trís

treezy if you have scanner like abilities, now is the time to come forward.

My thoughts are very important

... and deadly

White people -- any people -- complaining need do two things:

(1) Remember they're not alone nor are they the most deserving complainants.

(2) Stop talking about what you oppose. Start affirming what you'll endorse next year.

deserving complainants jesus

I mean I guess jesus has a valid gripe in all of this but fucker needs to get in line

he wasnt white tbf