Things you were shockingly old when you learned

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flapjacks are lavvvly

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link

Huh, is it a Europe/Canada divide?

Yes. 'Porridge' is not a typical breakfast meal in France. It's viewed as mildly exotic and typically English.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link

I feel like I've only ever seen 'flapjack' used in the US in the context of maybe like diner food or advertising? I don't know that I've ever heard an actual human refer to pancakes as flapjacks. And I grew up all over so I've experienced a pretty broad range of regional colloquialisms.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link

Incidentally, I did weirdly find that the English spoken in Montreal struck me as more American than just inside the Ontario border.xps

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link

xpost Like it's something a '50s sitcom dad would say. 'Boy, I sure could go for some flapjacks right now!'

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link

a flapjack is a man's pancake, a mancake, something you would be proud to stack

j., Monday, 25 November 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link

I've never heard the French word 'gruau' before

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link

Sund4r, could that be kind of an urban/rural divide, or do you mean a larger city in Ontario?

mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link

xp i've only heard it spoken once, by my dog

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link

For you.

And everybody else in the UK?

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

mh, no, I mean even compared to Ottawa (which is right inside the border) or Toronto but idk could be a weird impression. All I know is my wife talks about "porridge".

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link

Incidentally, I did weirdly find that the English spoken in Montreal struck me as more American than just inside the Ontario border.xps

It's true. I think it's because we get more of our exposure to English from American media due to it being a minority language. There is such a thing as a Montreal accent in English, though – it just happens to be almost imperceptible (unless you're in Saint Léonard). And there's the marry/merry distinction.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link

And everybody else in the UK?

Yes, that's what I meant.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link

... sorry, Scotland.

Rolled oats are commonly used in England, oatmeal in Scotland and steel-cut oats in Ireland.[14]

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link

Told you!

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link

Wikipedia says rolled and steel-cut oats count as oatmeal.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link

Cat: 'Mieow?'
Me: Oh hello cat, how are you today?
Cat: 'Mieow.'
Me: That bad, huh? Have you had anything to eat today?
Cat: 'Gruel'
Me: Gruel? Where did you get the gruel from, cat?
Cat: 'Grey Owl'
Me: Grey owl gave you the gruel?

etc....

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link

This oatmeal thing is complicated. Also, the French think of porridge as typically English when the English think of it as typically Scottish - or used to.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link

Chinese whispers. Or, as the French call it, le téléphone arabe.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link

Ha, that's "broken telephone" where I come from.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

Americans just call it 'telephone', due to their notoriously politically correct public discourse no doubt.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

Montreal accent

Btw Sund4r this is what I had in mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYPD6JJtDM

Works for both languages, incidentally.

Fwiw my friends from Southern Ontario sound simultaneously more American and more Canadian to me.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link

Americans call Chinese burns Indian burns

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

From the internet:
"Porage: this is a word made up by A & R Scott in Glasgow when they launched Scott's Porage Oats in 1914, and combined the old Scots word poray with the French word potage."

Also from the internet:
Dictionary of the Scots Language

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mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link

I call cream of wheat porridge and oatmeal, oatmeal. I used to really like eating instant oatmeal uncooked.

Yerac, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link

also sounds like 'pourage', like... something you'd pour I guess?

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link

this version of the porage origin story makes a bit more sense: https://foodanddrink.scotsman.com/producers/things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-scotts-porage-oats/

(though not much more)

mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link

Americans call Chinese burns Indian burns

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, November 25, 2019 9:29 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

So long as we're all resolved to refer to this particular kind of burn in quasi-racist terms.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link

Her vowels (I think in both languages) sound a lot broader to me than those here, which is also the first thing that strikes me when I drive across the US border:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-igydws4gSA

xp to pomenitul

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link

(I mean the adults in this video)

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I can hear it. Speaking for myself, I sound a lot like Anne-Marie Withenshaw in English and while my 'abouts' may not be as echt-Canadian as those of anglophone non-Montrealers, they still sound ridiculously Canadian to everyone I meet (especially the Americans, as Brits have a very hard time telling our accent(s) apart from those of our neighbours).

pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link

porridge is stirabout

deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link

stirabout is fair whey

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link

Flap Jacks are the badness what occur when are missing some key ingredients of Parkin but are all dressed up to bake this nastiness anyway.

calzino, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link

flapjacks are what happens if the contents of a horse's nosebag get soggy and clump together

FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link

my "abouts" were lightly canadian for a week or so after my montreal trip this year

mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link

Americans call Chinese burns Indian burns

― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, November 25, 2019 9:29 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

So long as we're all resolved to refer to this particular kind of burn in quasi-racist terms.

― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, November 25, 2019 3:46 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

unforch, I don't remember schoolkids in the 80s and 90s taking this into consideration

YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link

No, they sure didn't.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link

every once in a while someone references a wildly racist/sexist/homophobic thing from my childhood and I think, wow, we really did say that, huh?

mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link

my "abouts" were lightly canadian for a week or so after my montreal trip this year

There's sort of a continuum with how that diphthong gets raised in RoC ime, less "oo" and more "oh" as you go from east to west in broad terms, I think. (People in the Prairies would comment on mine.) Montreal's seem possibly the least raised to me, though.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link

xpost Not only that, but I occasionally think about how carefree childhood refrains of 'joy to the world, the teacher's dead' or 'on top of the schoolhouse all covered with blood' would probably get a kid expelled nowadays.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link

it wasn't really a "shockingly old" thing in that I don't think it'd be a thing people would learn unless they knew someone from Saskatchewan, but in that province people refer to a hooded sweatshirt as a "bunny hug"

mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link

Ha, yeah. Idk if the Mackenzie brothers used that particular one but a lot of things from the Great White North sketches never made sense to me until I lived in Regina.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link

I will be a little sad if kids are no longer singing "glory, glory, how peculiar! The teacher hit me with a ruler..." anymore.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link

what do brits call waffles

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link

waffles

mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link

they're waffly versatile

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link

brits call waffles "Labour Party" iirc

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link

They're still called waffles but they differ constitutionally as they're comprised mostly of a pig's blood and bone meal batter poured onto a waffle iron. IIRC? Could be wrong. But it sounds right.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link

Weirdly, the hard-left faction of our left-wing party used to be called "The Waffle" so I wondered if that was serious for a split-second.xp

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link


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