flapjacks are lavvvly
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
Huh, is it a Europe/Canada divide?
Yes. 'Porridge' is not a typical breakfast meal in France. It's viewed as mildly exotic and typically English.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
I feel like I've only ever seen 'flapjack' used in the US in the context of maybe like diner food or advertising? I don't know that I've ever heard an actual human refer to pancakes as flapjacks. And I grew up all over so I've experienced a pretty broad range of regional colloquialisms.
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
Incidentally, I did weirdly find that the English spoken in Montreal struck me as more American than just inside the Ontario border.xps
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
xpost Like it's something a '50s sitcom dad would say. 'Boy, I sure could go for some flapjacks right now!'
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
a flapjack is a man's pancake, a mancake, something you would be proud to stack
― j., Monday, 25 November 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
I've never heard the French word 'gruau' before
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
Sund4r, could that be kind of an urban/rural divide, or do you mean a larger city in Ontario?
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
xp i've only heard it spoken once, by my dog
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
For you.
And everybody else in the UK?
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
mh, no, I mean even compared to Ottawa (which is right inside the border) or Toronto but idk could be a weird impression. All I know is my wife talks about "porridge".
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
It's true. I think it's because we get more of our exposure to English from American media due to it being a minority language. There is such a thing as a Montreal accent in English, though – it just happens to be almost imperceptible (unless you're in Saint Léonard). And there's the marry/merry distinction.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
Yes, that's what I meant.
... sorry, Scotland.
Rolled oats are commonly used in England, oatmeal in Scotland and steel-cut oats in Ireland.[14]
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
Told you!
Wikipedia says rolled and steel-cut oats count as oatmeal.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link
Cat: 'Mieow?'Me: Oh hello cat, how are you today?Cat: 'Mieow.'Me: That bad, huh? Have you had anything to eat today?Cat: 'Gruel'Me: Gruel? Where did you get the gruel from, cat?Cat: 'Grey Owl'Me: Grey owl gave you the gruel?
etc....
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
This oatmeal thing is complicated. Also, the French think of porridge as typically English when the English think of it as typically Scottish - or used to.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
Chinese whispers. Or, as the French call it, le téléphone arabe.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
Ha, that's "broken telephone" where I come from.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
Americans just call it 'telephone', due to their notoriously politically correct public discourse no doubt.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
Montreal accent
Btw Sund4r this is what I had in mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYPD6JJtDM
Works for both languages, incidentally.
Fwiw my friends from Southern Ontario sound simultaneously more American and more Canadian to me.
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
Americans call Chinese burns Indian burns
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
From the internet: "Porage: this is a word made up by A & R Scott in Glasgow when they launched Scott's Porage Oats in 1914, and combined the old Scots word poray with the French word potage."
Also from the internet: Dictionary of the Scots Language
Results of Quick Search for porayNo results were found.
Full Text Search ResultsNo full text results were found either.
― mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
I call cream of wheat porridge and oatmeal, oatmeal. I used to really like eating instant oatmeal uncooked.
― Yerac, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
also sounds like 'pourage', like... something you'd pour I guess?
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
this version of the porage origin story makes a bit more sense: https://foodanddrink.scotsman.com/producers/things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-scotts-porage-oats/
(though not much more)
― mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, November 25, 2019 9:29 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
So long as we're all resolved to refer to this particular kind of burn in quasi-racist terms.
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
Her vowels (I think in both languages) sound a lot broader to me than those here, which is also the first thing that strikes me when I drive across the US border:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-igydws4gSA
xp to pomenitul
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
(I mean the adults in this video)
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I can hear it. Speaking for myself, I sound a lot like Anne-Marie Withenshaw in English and while my 'abouts' may not be as echt-Canadian as those of anglophone non-Montrealers, they still sound ridiculously Canadian to everyone I meet (especially the Americans, as Brits have a very hard time telling our accent(s) apart from those of our neighbours).
― pomenitul, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
porridge is stirabout
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
stirabout is fair whey
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
Flap Jacks are the badness what occur when are missing some key ingredients of Parkin but are all dressed up to bake this nastiness anyway.
― calzino, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
flapjacks are what happens if the contents of a horse's nosebag get soggy and clump together
― FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
my "abouts" were lightly canadian for a week or so after my montreal trip this year
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
Americans call Chinese burns Indian burns― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, November 25, 2019 9:29 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglinkSo long as we're all resolved to refer to this particular kind of burn in quasi-racist terms.― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, November 25, 2019 3:46 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, November 25, 2019 3:46 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
unforch, I don't remember schoolkids in the 80s and 90s taking this into consideration
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
No, they sure didn't.
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
every once in a while someone references a wildly racist/sexist/homophobic thing from my childhood and I think, wow, we really did say that, huh?
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
There's sort of a continuum with how that diphthong gets raised in RoC ime, less "oo" and more "oh" as you go from east to west in broad terms, I think. (People in the Prairies would comment on mine.) Montreal's seem possibly the least raised to me, though.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
xpost Not only that, but I occasionally think about how carefree childhood refrains of 'joy to the world, the teacher's dead' or 'on top of the schoolhouse all covered with blood' would probably get a kid expelled nowadays.
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
it wasn't really a "shockingly old" thing in that I don't think it'd be a thing people would learn unless they knew someone from Saskatchewan, but in that province people refer to a hooded sweatshirt as a "bunny hug"
― mh, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
Ha, yeah. Idk if the Mackenzie brothers used that particular one but a lot of things from the Great White North sketches never made sense to me until I lived in Regina.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
I will be a little sad if kids are no longer singing "glory, glory, how peculiar! The teacher hit me with a ruler..." anymore.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
what do brits call waffles
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
waffles
― mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
they're waffly versatile
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
brits call waffles "Labour Party" iirc
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
They're still called waffles but they differ constitutionally as they're comprised mostly of a pig's blood and bone meal batter poured onto a waffle iron. IIRC? Could be wrong. But it sounds right.
― War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
Weirdly, the hard-left faction of our left-wing party used to be called "The Waffle" so I wondered if that was serious for a split-second.xp
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link