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probably because they're averaging in that St. Anselm poll that has Buttigieg up by 10. The others have Bernie ahead.

even so "bernie is leading in one of these two states if you ignore one of the polls therefore nate silver is an asshole for suggesting IA and NH aren't the best states for primaries" is some real genius brain level shit

IA & NH are terrible primary states for Dems AND Nate Silver is an asshole

what are we arguing about

otm

buttigieg is leading who everyone on ilx afaict thinks is an idiot

I do not think Buttigeig is an idiot. Far from it. He is a fairly bright young man. But I do think he is deliberately taking rhetorically vague or meaningless positions that pander to voters who are under-informed, provincial, or are themselves idiotic.

Additionally, he is making some rookie mistakes related to his complete lack of experience in running a national campaign or even a statewide campaign. He may learn enough in the next several months to make up for this deficiency, if he were to become the nominee. Or he may not.

buttigeig is going nowhere. he can maybe win iowa or new hampshire - too far out to tell - but as i mentioned above he has no non-white support. this is honestly biden's to lose, still.

Yeah I didn’t think it was possible for any of the legit candidates to fall below Biden in my estimation but here we are

shit wrong thread

"why should ppl like virgil, xyzzy, hurting whoever care about the argument that iowa is a bad state to start primaries in"

The head of the Danish film critics association is using what Nate Silver is saying to advance the opinion that Sanders isn't doing well. That tweet (and others like it) are showing he is full of it. You were going about how Corbyn is pretty much the British Trump so I'd expect it would be difficult for you to keep up.

I'm not head of the Danish film critics association yet. She is my flatmate.

Also, I thought this board agreed that no matter what happens we don't drag peoples personal lives into beef on the board?

Anyways, comrade alphabet explains it quite well never the less. Nate Silver says Sanders isn't doing so well, so he has to be discredited. That's it, basically. That the back and forth in question mostly shows virgil is wrong and silver is right, that's unfortunate, but as you can see it's not a problem for the already converted. Naysayers has to be discredited, no matter what.

Lol that was a joke. You are fairly open about your film writing on here.

And no Virgil was not proved wrong. And again, it's just one of many howlers from Nate as pundit. So you relying on him for your view on Sanders is funny but not surprising.

Difficult to see Pete doing well in SC. Confused about direction the thread has taken.

It's just not okay to make jokes out of other posters personal lives, how fucking hard is that to comprehend?

Seriously, it's like discussing with a toddler.

And that joke would be out of bounds if you actually were three years old, btw. Those are the rules.

Seriously you shouldn't be talking about people's ability to comprehend anything.

both of you should stop

i still think i should get mod powers bc i would put a swift end to this

so anyway bernie is doing p good

to get back on track

This is a beautiful example of listening to skeptical people, of sticking to your guns but treating people who aren’t convinced yet with dignity. We need more of this. (22 minutes in) https://t.co/97J8dpoMxs

— €MP€ROR X (@emperorx) December 6, 2019

I'm sorry, I honestly feel like I have my hands clear here. I literally blocked him, took myself out of the equation, and he kept on shitting on me behind my back. How can it get any clearer, that this is not a 'both sides' thing, this is him continually being a piece of shit. Anyone want a fight to stop? Don't begin to complain when the fight spins out of control, clamp down on the shitty behaviour even if the other side isn't responding.

Anyways, the data is clear, Sanders is losing. So there. How to turn that around?

The head of the Danish film critics association is using what Nate Silver is saying to advance the opinion that Sanders isn't doing well. That tweet (and others like it) are showing he is full of it. You were going about how Corbyn is pretty much the British Trump so I'd expect it would be difficult for you to keep up.

tbc maybe neither you nor fred should be opining on american politics bc this is some weak shit. nate thinking sanders isn't doing well (btw nate is a data scientist with one of the better track records in analyzing polling so maybe he doesn't have personal animus here?) should not become an excuse to try and discredit him, but even if it were (yr thinking here indicates really pathetic political inclinations but fine whatever) bringing in totally unrelated opinions as like "wow another howler" esp when you hardly understand the issue he's discussing (could you even find IA or NH on a map I wonder) is dumb af. you might've noticed everyone wondering why the discussion *you* brought up was relevant to this thread. that's bc they're all better educated on american politics than you, but you apparently think "lol nate is dumb he thinks iowa is white" is a discrediting opinion or something.

and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's. i have seen no indication that you have anything intelligible to say beyond rah-rahing for your own team which makes sense why unrelated nate comments would be inexcusable blunders in yr eyes bc for you it's all about prosecuting some narrow political inclination on a message board. just real poor shit from you and i already have low expectations so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm hesitant to rely on Nate Silver as an authority not because he has personal animus against Bernie (though he might) but because he's wrong a lot

he was still the most right mainstream pundit on the 2016 election tho

Howling @ "honestly feel like I have my hands clear here" fkn hell this is great fiction. And how many times have you thrown abuse around? It's no biggie for me, but you're hardly innocent. Take the heat back, or if you don't want to see it block me.

he was still the most right mainstream pundit on the 2016 election tho

the bar is extremely low

everyone was working with the same flawed polling data but he saw the flaws in it early and was warning about them for months. i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election. following nate was the only reason i wasn't shocked when the results came in.

Mordy yeah, but he's really constantly wrong whenever he doesn't have a big chart of data and three paragraphs of wonky methodological chitchat alongside him, i.e. whenever he acts as "pundit." he has really blatant center-right blinders that lead him to e.g. constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed, and in such cases the data falls away and it's a lot of vague and/or gabbnebby statements about which sectors of the electorate they're supposedly gonna unite, which is no better or worse than any other pundit.

hey can we please get this clusterfuck back on topic with an in-depth discussion of bernie's botox regime and whether he's succumbing to pressure to become 'smooth bernie' irl

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bernie-botox-736x475.jpg

"and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's."

This issue has been thoroughly discussed at every angle on ilx. Openly displaying your ignorance of those discussions to barge in like you did doesn't help your cause here.

bg otm, what that forehead do?!

"i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election."

So he was still wrong.

oh no someone has an opinion you don't like about a candidate you adore stfu dork

constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed

iirc (but you might've seen posts i haven't) the argument there was that in a general she'd be formidable bc she's a dem that has overperformed dem numbers in a swing/lean red state? not that she'd be a shoe in for the primary? but i'd be interested to see otherwise if i'm wrong.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7SK3-WoAYwbCg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

bizarro otm

this is the new rolling skincare thread

it'd be an improvement

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7UQAsXkAADBtx?format=jpg&name=medium

i just think it's sad that bernie is pivoting to running on his raw sexual appeal rather than policy, y'know

Just checked the first 538 draft back from 2017, and you know who idiot pundit Nate Silver picks with his first pick? BERNIE FREAKING SANDERS (senator of Vermont). I mean, what a centrist doofus, right?

if we made a "debatable value of data science in political reporting / Nate Silver dogpile / 538 generally" thread could we keep that shit in there

smoove b

if we made a "debatable value of data science in political reporting / Nate Silver dogpile / 538 generally" thread could we keep that shit in there

― Simon H., 6. december 2019 14:40 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

We could try, but I doubt it as long as xyzzz is on the board. But it's an important discussion.

Paying my respects to Data Science rn

Fred, can you read the thread title? Do you understand it?

Do you wonder at all why other posters are in here offering criticism of Bernie but you seem to be the one getting the blowback? It's because you are here to provoke.

The thing is, there's a thread for the primary. How about staying out of here and using that one instead.

marxists are into hardcore history?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/10/soto-j10.html

i mean i could dig back through a few hundred silver tweets and all their awful slack chat "snake draft" posts and everything else but i already feel embarrassed enough about reading those the first time. i stand by my conviction that silver is a lousy, centrist pundit but I recognize that this is not a post that will persuade anybody to co-sign that opinion.