woody allen

I bet a silby could enjoy several of the good-to-great Woodys, including Annie Hall, if able to set aside "imo Woody is a sex creep" preconceptions. But there are plenty of other movies to watch.

xpost again, I went off and read the Mic chart

tbf Woody films are rarely if ever about romances, his characters are usually aggravated or anguished by luv, and more likely to fuck "other people" to hurt their nominal partners than bcz they're horny

Javier Bardem fucking two women

dangit misremembered this one too: he is divorced from the woman five years younger, and fucks two women fifteen years and thirteen years younger than him

tbf Woody films are rarely if ever about romances, his characters are usually aggravated or anguished by luv, and more likely to fuck "other people" to hurt their nominal partners than bcz they're horny

this is accurate

even Annie Hall... I mean, saying it's about him "getting dumped" is not quite right, it's more about how anxiety conspires against happiness

Mostly just released to long-haul flight entertainment systems I think

I saw on another forum that the new one, A Rainy Day In New York, is available on some airline filghts heading into the states.

Just read about this, a short Kissinger satire made for but not aired by PBS in '71.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyuCjDiqX58

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well known to those steeped in his career

are any of them good

Zelig is a wiseass NYer's version of Forrest Gump (but made 11 years earlier)

it's probably my favorite after Annie Hall, Sleeper, Manhhattan, maybe even ahead of a couple of those

"I've never flown before in my life, and it shows exactly what you can do if you're a total psychotic!"

Hmm I’m being a wiseass about Woody Allen mostly for my own amusement and bc I was understimulated at work today, but Forrest Gump, I passionately loathe Forrest Gump

it's not *like* Forrest Gump substantively

also Susan Sontag and Saul Bellow, among others, weigh in on the hero (a "chameleon man" who conforms to his surroundings)

I've never seen Gump and have no plans to; it might as well be a Tarantino film

I’ll probably get around to reading Sontag before I get around to watching Woody Allen, at any rate.

There’s not really a good Forrest Gump thread for me to bump to talk shit about it in

you'll live

also your namesake, Gene Wilder, is great in Everything About Sex

Love & Death is good

it is! like a good prime Bob Hope burlesque, only with Dostoyevsky and Eisenstein references

it's not *like* Forrest Gump substantively

also Susan Sontag and Saul Bellow, among others, weigh in on the hero (a "chameleon man" who conforms to his surroundings)

also what was the name of the theater on the East Side where we would cue up when these things debuted, maybe the same one where Donald Fagen saw Lou Reed crying at a midday show of “Terms of Endearment,” The Beacon? No, The Beekman. Guess it closed for good recently although the original theater had already closed in 2005.

https://patch.com/new-york/upper-east-side-nyc/beekman-theatre-closes-unexpectedly-upper-east-side

I watched The Philadelphia Story the other night and got weirded out by the central theme of Katherine Hepburn needing to learn how to put up with men's bullshit so I can understand not wanting to go near Annie Hall because of WA's age-inappropriate casting.

is te casting of annie Hall age-inappropriate?

Milder version of silby's question: I have seen all of Woody Allen's films through Anything Else. I have seen zero of Woody Allen's films after Anything Else. So like...am I good or is there anything I'm missing out on?

Oh you know what, my bad, I forgot that Melinda & Melinda came out after that, so that would've been my last one. I mean I guess shakey's revive kinda answers my question but still.

I watched The Philadelphia Story the other night and got weirded out by the central theme of Katherine Hepburn needing to learn how to put up with men's bullshit so I can understand not wanting to go near Annie Hall because of WA's age-inappropriate casting.

― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, December 12, 2019

otm about The Philadelphia Story, which I like but its insistence on humiliating Tracy Lord/Hepburn grates on me (and it weirded out critics at the time, I might add).

I didn't see the age difference in AH as a problem. If anything, she learns enough from him to leave his whining ass at the end of the film.m

it's been a while since i saw manhattan but i always imagine that final scene is the last time hemingway's character ever sees allen's

I'm thinking less of the age difference in AH (which doesn't seem egregious to me) and more the general vibe of casting men against younger love interests, which is obviously a bigger problem. AH definitely paints the WA character as a solipsistic asshole loser that'll never learn and that Keaton is right to dump his ass.

was trying to think of instances where his scripts called for casing older women with younger men - Bullets Over Broadway def the most memorable, but I think there's a couple others I'm forgetting

So like...am I good or is there anything I'm missing out on?

I've seen three of the 17 he's made since then*, and enjoyed one of them a lot, but your life will not be especially enriched by it.


* counting one he only acted in here, because: dermatologist Sharon Stone has never been able to arrange a girl / girl / boy threesome with her also-curious female friend, so she naturally asks her 78-year-old patient Woody Allen if he can hook her up. Woody turns to the most attractive and virile man he knows, 56-year-old John Turturro, and soon is operating a thriving business as a pimp with Turturro his sole ho. feel free to guess who wrote and directed this movie at any point.

Bill Cosby!

Jeffrey Epstein before he didn't kill himself?

Possibly the man who thought that a movie featuring his Big Lebowski character as the protagonist was actually a sound and reasonable idea?

It's not on quite the level of, like, Dylan Baker spending half a decade to get his Dr. Maplewood passion project off the ground, but it's not that far off.

(Fictional example, btw. No libel of Mr. Baker intended.)

is the casting of annie Hall age-inappropriate?

It's like an 11-year gap, and it's based on their actual romance, so

Barbara Kopple's doc Wild Man Blues is better than any WA film of the last 20 years that i've seen. Woody's parents humiliate him at the end.

as will all of our parents

Can report that A Rainy Day in New York is now on American Airlines domestic flights on demand...

Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the Literary Clusterfucks thread

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/mar/03/ronan-farrow-hachette-woody-allen-memoir

big whoop

Was wondering whether there are other cases of someone leaving a publishing house because it published their rival/enemy.

They've backed down

BREAKING: In a statement, Hachette Book Group has announced that it will not publish Woody Allen’s memoir 'A Propos of Nothing, originally scheduled for sale in April 2020, and will return all rights to the author. Our story is forthcoming.

— Publishers Weekly (@PublishersWkly) March 6, 2020

Little, Brown editors staged a walkout out over it I saw on Twitter

interview w/ one of the employees who walked out:

https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/woody-allen-memoir-hachette-little-brown-walkout.html

Obviously Hachette’s behavior is unethical. That’s why it was hidden like the shameful little deal it was. But it’s also very stupid! One reason: there is more reporting (not from Ronan) coming on Woody Allen. Hachette is aware of this. https://t.co/7Vy238BtNF

— Jon Lovett (@jonlovett) March 5, 2020

Do you see any value in publishing the book?

I do not. Perhaps [ Allen ] still has fans, but I don’t think any of that matters in the slightest considering the things he’s been accused of doing.

perhaps

Little, Brown editors staged a walkout out over it I saw on Twitter

also three posts above itt tbf

matters in the slightest considering the things he’s been accused of doing

yikes

also three posts above itt tbf

oh wait no, derp