END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

and of course to make it all the more maddening no one in the media gives a fuck about AS on the right, as David Graeber chronicles in this thread

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— David Graeber (@davidgraeber) December 18, 2019

Reading about Women's March 2019 didn't seem remotely troubling?

imperialist-tolerant libs never get accused of cozying up to US war criminals in the MSM, do they?

i cosign feces roll

so far i've done what i was told which was to go read up on sarsour, but what i read in september and what i read today have not raised anything that seems remotely troubling...?

it's troubling that she has defended farrakhan (as well as spoke at his 2015 rally, tho later distanced herself from his antisemitism when there were crticisms) . if you're not sure why it's because farrakhan has published a prolific amount of literature calling jews cockroaches, blaming jews for the existence of the slave trade, and advocating violence against them (last week's jersey city shooters were inspired by farrakhan's writings among others). she said the founding of israel was jewish supremacism. she's pro-BDS which you may feel is not antisemitic but most Jews believe is. she said that there's no place in the left for zionists. she celebrated rasmea odeh. like most antisemitism charges on the left it is very hard to disambiguate "criticism of the occupation" from antisemitism and honestly as a jew it's exhausting to have to keep having this conversation. i'm not trying to argue that being pro-BDS is antisemitic but i am trying to argue that jews who think it is aren't right-wing trolls - they are mostly Dem voters. maybe they have a blindspot here but hopefully we want to understand them, if for nothing else to understand how better to argue/explain to them how they're wrong.

So, Sarsour is criticized as anti-Semitic by some because she defended Farakhan, who has written and said many virulently anti-Semitic things, but she has not specifically defended Farakhan's anti-Semitic writings or beliefs, but instead has deliberately distanced herself from them. Also, she has criticized the politics of Israel and the majority political positions of jews in the USA regarding Israel in ways that are difficult to distinguish from being simply anti-occupation rather than anti-Semitic.

Then, Sanders is criticized as anti-Semitic, because he has accepted Sarsour's public support and not made a point of criticizing Sarsour's criticism of Israeli politics and the occupation. This, in preference to referencing Sanders' own statements about Israel as evidence of what he thinks.

This is mighty thin gruel, but for the people who are disseminating it, it is an effective tactic, because it will result in Sanders explicitly endorsing the occupation, or it will weaken support for Sanders among jews and others who accept the idea that Sanders might be anti-Semitic. A win for them either way.

aimless otm

she defended Farakhan, who has written and said many virulently anti-Semitic things, but she has not specifically defended Farakhan's anti-Semitic writings or beliefs, but instead has deliberately distanced herself from them

What is this nonsense?

Mordy: "tho later distanced herself from his antisemitism when there were crticisms"

I took him at his word.

Aimless OTM seconded.

I think Mordy quite implicitly described it as nonsense.

I mean, fair enough, if the majority of the left thinks it's no big deal to defend a virulent anti-semite if you distance yourself from anti-semitism in general, then there's kinda nothing the rest of us can do about it. But then there's pretty obviously a 'there' there, and there's not really going to be any coherent defence once the trolls get into it.

I'll just say that Bernie has been in the Counterpunch orbit of foreign policy thinkers and that group includes people with lots of questionable quotes and views about Israel and Jews.
― Mordy, Wednesday, December 18, 2019 5:44 PM (two hours ago)

i hate counterpunch but the people who write for them tend to be from the "bernie is secretly an imperialist warmonger" crowd

I’m sorry but this is just very clearly not a campaign issue

also you can play this game any which way you like — other moderate candidates are “in the orbit of” plenty of neocons who have said and done awful things that don’t get the same kind of scrutiny by the press

i've seen a couple right-wing media places (commentary, NRO, federalist) say that bernie has antisemitic surrogates but have not called him antisemitic. the only time i've seen the msm bring it up is to push back (i saw something from NBC & the Guardian - I haven't noticed anyone else covering it). so if it's about the press no one afaict is calling bernie an antisemite within the press. if we're talking about just ppl talking ilxors condemn moderate candidates for being in the orbit of neocons all the time.

fkn berniebros are back on their bullshit

SCOOP: Bernie Sanders has won the endorsement of People’s Action, a coalition of 40 progressive groups that said it represents more than 1 million members in key early-voting states and others across the country. https://t.co/wniq1ZFgit

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) December 19, 2019

I swear I saw this headline a week or two ago. how many of these supposedly massive groups are there?

enough to elect him, one hopes

I am sure Bernie hangs out with anti-semites because he 100% thinks they are fun and cool.

I know there are some Nate Silver supporters in here

In general, candidates rising in the polls are overrated and candidates falling in the polls are underrated because people intuitively presume that there's "momentum" in polling when (simplifying a lot here) empirically polls are more like a random walk with some mean reversion.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 19, 2019

Can anyone translate this for me? His stuff is somewhat high level for me so I often don't get what it means

'i provide useful information in the immediate runup to elections but i insist on commenting on political current affairs at all other times despite having little to add to the discourse'

It means he is panicking

Yes, that is definitely a thing that Nate Silver does.

That's the nerdy version of panicking.

He is saying people read too much into small movements of polling instead of taking the long look. Like seeing a single poll giving Bernie 22% and saying he is surging.

Or seeing that Warren was rising a point every two weeks, figuring out how many weeks were left until Iowa, then think that's how good she is likely to do. When she was always just as likely to stop plateauing or moving down instead. Polls move around a lot in primaries, often for short term reasons.

Really obvious stuff in word salad xp

Yes. What an unprecedented crime to make a less than perfectly worded tweet.

It's called panicking

Warren is now ~4 points ahead of Bernie in post-debate national polls. But that's not the only reason she's more likely to win the nomination. Her polling is much more robust than his overall, including stronger numbers in Iowa, more momentum, and better net favorability ratings. pic.twitter.com/fGtXEvkOM0

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 19, 2019

Thanks, Fred. I'm not great at reading Silver's stuff as, like you say, he's not a particularly clear writer. I think I misunderstand him on the role of momentum, and if its an important factor or not. Tweets probably not the best place for clarity though!

You can draft tweets you know. Or put a good twitter thread in place and structure an argument.

I think he has changed his mind a bit on 'momentum' since he made the primary model. Like, he was always a bit skeptic, but he seems much more so now. Like, I saw those two tweets collected and a tweeter going 'he is making it up as he goes along' and yes! It's exactly what he is doing! He is trying to model the primary while it's happening, and adjusting his predictions accordingly. That's what data journalism should be.

On a recent podcast Nate said that because of data their punditry has improved from 90% bullshit to more like 60%. I feel a lot of people are trying to take him down for being 60% bullshit, but these people also believed there would be a hung parliament in the UK because a red telephone told them so. [Shrug]

people WANTED to believe that. gun to their head, few would have made that their guess.

anyway, ten pinocchios for Bernie

Fact check from team @CNNPolitics: @BernieSanders spoke imprecisely when he said the world spends $1.8 trillion on weapons of destruction. "The $1.8 trillion figure represents all global military spending in 2018, not spending on weapons in particular." https://t.co/u3Ns7nOhtw pic.twitter.com/QwlCg0m3ad

— Annie Grayer (@AnnieGrayerCNN) December 20, 2019

The red telephone thing was bananas. Everyone needs to be more vigilant about this stuff

Believing in a guy saying bullshit % have decreased by 30%, will keep listening to podcasts and cheering on the new Star Wars, like a fool.

Lol no one 'believed' the red telephone guy twitter to stop canvassing and campaigning.

i would like to point out that i was otm in that thread when i pointed out that the red telephone was an mi5 psyop

i will now be bundled into an unmarked van and wake up in a shipping container somewhere in kabul

Man so good.

This is amazing. Please look at Peter Buttigieg's face when Bernie says he's a competitive guy and wishes him luck on catching up with Joe in the billionaire supporter contest. pic.twitter.com/Gjm4irhX9M

— 𝓜𝓪𝓽𝓽 𝓡𝓾𝓫𝓲𝓷 (@MtthewRubiin) December 20, 2019

that made me laugh so hard

angry squirrel

I was already leaning toward Bernie, but I think I'm there.

God I wish he was in his 60s even.

You should see my face when I look at Matt Rubin's face.

holding a fundraiser for bernie sanders in my jrpg cave. i present before him on one plate a playstation 2 and a copy of xenosaga, on another an xbox and a copy of gears of war. my eyes glisten in the torch light. the senator reaches for the ps2. i nod and sign the check

— leon (@leyawn) December 20, 2019

PBKR, you go to war with the altecocker you have...

the squad

Cornel West giving pregame remarks at #BernieInVenice to an audience including Werner Herzog, Tim Robbins, Anderson Paak, Kim Gordon and Danny Devito is the whole tweet ✊😎 pic.twitter.com/KGo7egZ7yP

— Medicare for All! (@WaywardWinifred) December 21, 2019

I can’t wait for Herzog to make some “ecstatic truth” ads for Bernie that make Glenn Kessler’s head explode.

.@AOC calling out the hypocrisy of the bloated military defense budget. "Budgets are moral documents... this campaign is about a radical realignment of our priorities in the United States." #BernieInVenice pic.twitter.com/apT2DYxNHg

— Trinity Tran (@tran_scends) December 21, 2019

Castro called out CNN for blatantly using old Bernie polling. Must be gunning for that veep slot

he's beeeeeen from jump. he's laid off bernie and liz and come after beto, buttigieg, biden. it's a really canny political pivot bc he could've just as easily gone establishment dem given his background, but once sanders and warren are retired/dead, he's still young enough that he can claim progressive bona fides in future presidential races and/or be a credible vp candidate with one of those two.