END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

I mean, fair enough, if the majority of the left thinks it's no big deal to defend a virulent anti-semite if you distance yourself from anti-semitism in general, then there's kinda nothing the rest of us can do about it. But then there's pretty obviously a 'there' there, and there's not really going to be any coherent defence once the trolls get into it.

I'll just say that Bernie has been in the Counterpunch orbit of foreign policy thinkers and that group includes people with lots of questionable quotes and views about Israel and Jews.
― Mordy, Wednesday, December 18, 2019 5:44 PM (two hours ago)

i hate counterpunch but the people who write for them tend to be from the "bernie is secretly an imperialist warmonger" crowd

I’m sorry but this is just very clearly not a campaign issue

also you can play this game any which way you like — other moderate candidates are “in the orbit of” plenty of neocons who have said and done awful things that don’t get the same kind of scrutiny by the press

i've seen a couple right-wing media places (commentary, NRO, federalist) say that bernie has antisemitic surrogates but have not called him antisemitic. the only time i've seen the msm bring it up is to push back (i saw something from NBC & the Guardian - I haven't noticed anyone else covering it). so if it's about the press no one afaict is calling bernie an antisemite within the press. if we're talking about just ppl talking ilxors condemn moderate candidates for being in the orbit of neocons all the time.

fkn berniebros are back on their bullshit

SCOOP: Bernie Sanders has won the endorsement of People’s Action, a coalition of 40 progressive groups that said it represents more than 1 million members in key early-voting states and others across the country. https://t.co/wniq1ZFgit

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) December 19, 2019

I swear I saw this headline a week or two ago. how many of these supposedly massive groups are there?

enough to elect him, one hopes

I am sure Bernie hangs out with anti-semites because he 100% thinks they are fun and cool.

I know there are some Nate Silver supporters in here

In general, candidates rising in the polls are overrated and candidates falling in the polls are underrated because people intuitively presume that there's "momentum" in polling when (simplifying a lot here) empirically polls are more like a random walk with some mean reversion.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 19, 2019

Can anyone translate this for me? His stuff is somewhat high level for me so I often don't get what it means

'i provide useful information in the immediate runup to elections but i insist on commenting on political current affairs at all other times despite having little to add to the discourse'

It means he is panicking

Yes, that is definitely a thing that Nate Silver does.

That's the nerdy version of panicking.

He is saying people read too much into small movements of polling instead of taking the long look. Like seeing a single poll giving Bernie 22% and saying he is surging.

Or seeing that Warren was rising a point every two weeks, figuring out how many weeks were left until Iowa, then think that's how good she is likely to do. When she was always just as likely to stop plateauing or moving down instead. Polls move around a lot in primaries, often for short term reasons.

Really obvious stuff in word salad xp

Yes. What an unprecedented crime to make a less than perfectly worded tweet.

It's called panicking

Warren is now ~4 points ahead of Bernie in post-debate national polls. But that's not the only reason she's more likely to win the nomination. Her polling is much more robust than his overall, including stronger numbers in Iowa, more momentum, and better net favorability ratings. pic.twitter.com/fGtXEvkOM0

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 19, 2019

Thanks, Fred. I'm not great at reading Silver's stuff as, like you say, he's not a particularly clear writer. I think I misunderstand him on the role of momentum, and if its an important factor or not. Tweets probably not the best place for clarity though!

You can draft tweets you know. Or put a good twitter thread in place and structure an argument.

I think he has changed his mind a bit on 'momentum' since he made the primary model. Like, he was always a bit skeptic, but he seems much more so now. Like, I saw those two tweets collected and a tweeter going 'he is making it up as he goes along' and yes! It's exactly what he is doing! He is trying to model the primary while it's happening, and adjusting his predictions accordingly. That's what data journalism should be.

On a recent podcast Nate said that because of data their punditry has improved from 90% bullshit to more like 60%. I feel a lot of people are trying to take him down for being 60% bullshit, but these people also believed there would be a hung parliament in the UK because a red telephone told them so. [Shrug]

people WANTED to believe that. gun to their head, few would have made that their guess.

anyway, ten pinocchios for Bernie

Fact check from team @CNNPolitics: @BernieSanders spoke imprecisely when he said the world spends $1.8 trillion on weapons of destruction. "The $1.8 trillion figure represents all global military spending in 2018, not spending on weapons in particular." https://t.co/u3Ns7nOhtw pic.twitter.com/QwlCg0m3ad

— Annie Grayer (@AnnieGrayerCNN) December 20, 2019

The red telephone thing was bananas. Everyone needs to be more vigilant about this stuff

Believing in a guy saying bullshit % have decreased by 30%, will keep listening to podcasts and cheering on the new Star Wars, like a fool.

Lol no one 'believed' the red telephone guy twitter to stop canvassing and campaigning.

i would like to point out that i was otm in that thread when i pointed out that the red telephone was an mi5 psyop

i will now be bundled into an unmarked van and wake up in a shipping container somewhere in kabul

Man so good.

This is amazing. Please look at Peter Buttigieg's face when Bernie says he's a competitive guy and wishes him luck on catching up with Joe in the billionaire supporter contest. pic.twitter.com/Gjm4irhX9M

— 𝓜𝓪𝓽𝓽 𝓡𝓾𝓫𝓲𝓷 (@MtthewRubiin) December 20, 2019

that made me laugh so hard

angry squirrel

I was already leaning toward Bernie, but I think I'm there.

God I wish he was in his 60s even.

You should see my face when I look at Matt Rubin's face.

holding a fundraiser for bernie sanders in my jrpg cave. i present before him on one plate a playstation 2 and a copy of xenosaga, on another an xbox and a copy of gears of war. my eyes glisten in the torch light. the senator reaches for the ps2. i nod and sign the check

— leon (@leyawn) December 20, 2019

PBKR, you go to war with the altecocker you have...

the squad

Cornel West giving pregame remarks at #BernieInVenice to an audience including Werner Herzog, Tim Robbins, Anderson Paak, Kim Gordon and Danny Devito is the whole tweet ✊😎 pic.twitter.com/KGo7egZ7yP

— Medicare for All! (@WaywardWinifred) December 21, 2019

I can’t wait for Herzog to make some “ecstatic truth” ads for Bernie that make Glenn Kessler’s head explode.

.@AOC calling out the hypocrisy of the bloated military defense budget. "Budgets are moral documents... this campaign is about a radical realignment of our priorities in the United States." #BernieInVenice pic.twitter.com/apT2DYxNHg

— Trinity Tran (@tran_scends) December 21, 2019

Castro called out CNN for blatantly using old Bernie polling. Must be gunning for that veep slot

he's beeeeeen from jump. he's laid off bernie and liz and come after beto, buttigieg, biden. it's a really canny political pivot bc he could've just as easily gone establishment dem given his background, but once sanders and warren are retired/dead, he's still young enough that he can claim progressive bona fides in future presidential races and/or be a credible vp candidate with one of those two.

Something interesting I didn’t know for the last day of Channukah: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3224239/jewish/Some-More-Info-on-Bernie-Sanders-and-Judaism-blog.htm

There’s a video of him lighting with Chabad last night of fb that if I can figure out how to link I’ll post later

hopefully this works

https://www.facebook.com/100024757552869/videos/578299316338648/

more video here including bernie addressing the crowd briefly

Bernie Sanders is here to light a menorah at a “Chanukah on Ice” event at Des Moines ice rink. It’s been scheduled a while, but it’s less than 24 hours after an intruder stabbed 5 at a rabbi's home in the NYC suburb of Monsey during a Hanukkah celebration late Saturday night. pic.twitter.com/atEe4QpAjC

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) December 30, 2019

Over the past few years, Bernie Sanders supporters have called me the following names: pic.twitter.com/UYiQ2SBf2f

— Jeremy Fassler (@J_fassler) January 2, 2020

relevant

hahahha

I don't know who that is but lol at expecting outrage towards a candidate because his supporters called you "dumb" or "hack" on Twitter.

The vile Berners who are replying to this tweet with further harassment are proof that his supporters care more about "owning" their "enemies" than helping the causes Sanders cares about. At this point, there is little difference between them and MAGA idiots.

— Jeremy Fassler (@J_fassler) January 2, 2020

jeremy fassler is leaving a voicemail with the manager