END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Politeness is fucking entitlement Fred, sometimes unproductive rage comes from a place of powerless despair

And sometimes it comes from being an asshole

And nobody is asking for politeness. Not shouting 'cunt' at Twitter randos has nothing to do with politeness

so anyway

I was right about Vietnam.

I was right about Iraq.

I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran.

I apologize to no one. pic.twitter.com/Lna3oBZMKB

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) January 3, 2020

It's 2020, everybody is a "Twitter rando". I don't understand why you're on the side of entitlement.

He is not a rando either.

Like maybe people being mean to defenders of the status quo aren't the real enemy?

i don't think bernie supporters are notably more "toxic" than supporters of other candidates. this is just an idea that's been promoted to discredit the candidate.

and the guy who claimed there is "little difference" between bernie supporters and trump supporters is, respectfully, a vile liar.

there is no comparison between the candidates or between the movements they represent. it's insulting to people suffering under trump to pretent otherwise.

guy owns himself by not only keeping but posting a list tbh

anyway bernie otm

i don't think bernie supporters are notably more "toxic" than supporters of other candidates. this is just an idea that's been promoted to discredit the candidate.

― treeship., Friday, January 3, 2020

mmm they kinda are? The bros are, especially on Twitter. Messianic fervor is a helluva thing in politics.

I endorse him anyway btw

his campaign is explicitly not personality-driven. so, if people think he is the messiah that is their problem

After all, they've been told

Keeping calm while the right politely deny anyone a future on this planet.

Rabid twitter people ≠ most supporters. No way are Bernie’s stable of vocal zealots more toxic than Gabbard’s or Trump’s or, hell, Roy Moore’s.

agreed

Rabid twitter people

maybe this is a consequence of living in new york but if anything it's worse (if less frequent) irl

anyway yeah hate the fans not the band 2020

i don't think bernie supporters are notably more "toxic" than supporters of other candidates. this is just an idea that's been promoted to discredit the candidate.

Bingo.

Also, that Fassler guy seems to be more invested in going after Bernie than Republicans/status quo.

Yeah but Corbynists are why we deserve to become a 19th century robber baron hellscape, Fred otm

it would be really interesting to see what happens with Bernie stans if he actually became president (and I hope he does!). because he will inevitably disappoint in many ways, as all presidents do, and I wonder if the people who spend half the day on Twitter replying "go off king" to every Sanders utterance will turn on him or put on blinders/make excuses. my guess is the latter.

Same thing I tell Warren supporters: his plans don't mean shit until we win the Senate.

Plans are points of inspiration, to-do items, which is why they should be as ambitious as possible and insult as many people in the establishment as possible.

A Twitter search for "KHive" doesn't really turn up monuments to civility.

Alfred otm. Radicalism has no end point it, it's a program of continuing demands

It’s literally the smallest anecdotal evidence possible but I had dinner with my best bud last weekend and when talk turned to politics he derided Warren for, ironically enough, not having any plans and more or less saying she was going to fix things magically. I think her waffling on raising taxes to support M4All is the germ of this sentiment because my friend also praised Bernie for being willing to say he’d tax the shit out of rich people to fund his ambitions.

i don't think bernie supporters are notably more "toxic" than supporters of other candidates. this is just an idea that's been promoted to discredit the candidate.

― treeship., Friday, January 3, 2020

mmm they kinda are? The bros are, especially on Twitter. Messianic fervor is a helluva thing in politics.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, January 3, 2020 9:20 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know enough to say how toxic "berniebros" are but they have definitely been the most exhausting to me since 2016.

it is amazing that "berniebros" caught on but "standers" didn't

posting this again because bernie >>>> this discussion

I was right about Vietnam.

I was right about Iraq.

I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran.

I apologize to no one. pic.twitter.com/Lna3oBZMKB

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) January 3, 2020

ok

He’s right though. A war in iran would be a catastrophe of extraordinary magnitude, probably worse than any of us can imagine, and this inside baseball media nonsense doesn’t matter at all.

this isn't even the worst conversation itt in the past month

thanks for the dose of perspective we surely all have though treesh

People in the responses to that tweet don’t get it. A few take it as an example of bernie being self aggrandizing.

I mean, it's that as well though, lol

he forgot to mention grenada

People in the responses to that tweet don’t get it

replies to tweets by political candidates don't matter at all

I mean, it's that as well though, lol

― Frederik B, Friday, January 3, 2020 10:58 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

why are you even in this thread?

Fred works for blue cross blue shield

Blue eyes blue hearts can't lose

Just keep FPing the sack of shit and move on. No need to engage.

Bernie's complete refusal to apologize is worrying. If he won't apologize here, is there anything he won't apologize for. And if he won't apologize then his acolytes are going to take the message that apologizing is a sign of weakness. Once a self-reinforcing crowd mentality of not-apologising starts to take hold we're in real trouble. We saw this before with the election of Trump

Guys, this is hardly conducive to building bridges. The blame goes right to the top

soon as I see the word “berniebros” I’m done reading

or do you reach for your revolver?

it’s only January in due time

STOPPED CLOCK ALERT

I may be Chief Neoliberal Shill, but I also think Bernie Sanders is Democrats’ best choice for 2020:

— Least likely to start wars
— Strong full-employment plank
— Plausible electability argument
— Get the Young Left inside the tent pissing out https://t.co/IGkuraziTv

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 7, 2020

Worth the read: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/24/18510756/bernie-sanders-2020-democrats-neoliberals-chill

“I would beg [Bernie] to drop out so I don’t have to keep flying in from LA to do SNL... he’s idestructible, nothing stops this man. If he wins, do you have any idea what that’s going to do to my life? I mean do you have any idea? It’ll be great for the country, terrible for me.” pic.twitter.com/5YipWzopm4

— wideofthepost (@wideofthepost) January 9, 2020