Purple Mountains (RIP David Berman, August 2019)

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Any interest in measures to overcome vote-splitting?

Yes.

enochroot, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 02:28 (five months ago) link

tbh I'm expecting ppl to gravitate towards "Nights" even without strategery

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:01 (five months ago) link

I think Snow vs Margaritas

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:02 (five months ago) link

I nominated and voted for “Snow.”

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:13 (five months ago) link

I'll certainly vote for "Nights That Won't Happen" either way. Happy to add a further crowd-pleaser...

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:24 (five months ago) link

this is gonna be the ultimate vote splitter. my vote went to 'happiness'

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 04:01 (five months ago) link

i think it'll get one or two songs on the countdown regardless

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 04:01 (five months ago) link

just voted for all of em!

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 10:10 (five months ago) link

Snow will definitely be high on my ballot. Margaritas will be on there somewhere too.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:48 (five months ago) link

'Snow' seems popular. I'll make that my second PM vote then!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 9 January 2020 11:23 (five months ago) link

See if you recognize the former ilxor as MC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHTXXzdbf6s

The surviving members perform:

Secret Knowledge of Back Roads (Pavement version)
Buckingham Rabbit
Advice to the Graduate
Random Rules
Welcome To The House of the Bats*
Trains Across the Sea

*post-song banter refers to SM wanting Bob to reprise the monologue that Bob did as his first performance on a Pavement record ("Sue Me Jack") in a tribute to his good friends Slint's then-newly-released Spiderland. The monologue lyrics iirc refer to Bob's mom finding a Frederic Remington painting on the cheap somehow. Yes, I know deep Pavement trivia in case you were wondering.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:14 (five months ago) link

I can't decipher the "Sue Me Jack" monologue, but are you referring to the monologue on "Welcome to the House of the Bats"?

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:20 (five months ago) link

Thanks for sharing that video, btw. And yes, I recognize D. Wolk (I worked w/him a million years ago)

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:25 (five months ago) link

SM asked Bob to do a monologue referencing Remington (i.e. the "Sue Me Jack" bit) during the Bats coda, I'm just providing some trivial background on it.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:44 (five months ago) link

Cool, I just got to that part in the video (and sorry if I sounded confused -- I was referring to the fact that the Remington monologue can be heard very clearing in the original recording of "House of the Bats"; I didn't realize that the "Sue Me Jack" bit had the same subject, as it's buried so deep in the mix.)

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:47 (five months ago) link

I attended the Portland thing. Was hoping Stephen and Bob would say a bit more about David, but there wasn't much. Ever-guarded Stephen - as you might guess - said basically nothing. Bob had an emotional moment you can watch in the 22nd minute of that video up there.

That pretty much sums the two of them up.

Their relationship and the way it benefitted both of them in Pavement really fascinates me.

alpine static, Friday, 10 January 2020 05:51 (five months ago) link

That performance was rough.

Duke, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:09 (five months ago) link

They didn't practice. The songs are super old and they haven't played them in years. What they did is exactly what I expected (and wanted).

alpine static, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:29 (five months ago) link

it was great — sounded like early joos.

tylerw, Friday, 10 January 2020 20:03 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Another Titans tribute:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7ZWAIMF3Tr/?igshid=1ns9wfh71uam4

dad genes (morrisp), Saturday, 25 January 2020 20:30 (five months ago) link

Mentioned it in another thread, but I’d like to hear Pet Shop Boys do “Margaritas at the Mall.”

... (Eazy), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:03 (five months ago) link

His passing has received more mention from a professional football team than from the Grammys

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:19 (five months ago) link

goes without saying but the grammys have virtually nothing to do with people who make music

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:25 (five months ago) link

it's like an internal company end of year teambuilding award show that is for some reason televised and watched by millions of people

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:26 (five months ago) link

No mention of Scott Walker, Bushwick Bill, or Mark Hollis on the Grammy memorial segment (and they misspelled Ric Ocasek's name)

Not that any of those people would give a shit, but fans of those people (like me) definitely did

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:43 (five months ago) link

yeah that irked the fuck outta me

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:50 (five months ago) link

the grammies sucks ass and are run by scumbags, wouldn't want them to sully DCB's name by mentioning him

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:52 (five months ago) link

"the grammies sucks ass and are..."

god i am illiterate

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:53 (five months ago) link

"the grammies sucks ass" sounds better and rings truer.

del griffith, Monday, 27 January 2020 21:01 (five months ago) link

It is one award show.

"Purple Mountains is..." would also work fine.

pplains, Monday, 27 January 2020 21:16 (five months ago) link

the more appropriate test of industry integrity will be seeing whether or not DCB gets his three second salute within the obit montage at this November's 54th Annual CMA Awards.

or wait, I guess it's just The CMAs. or maybe just CMA. it's definitely not CMA's, that I know for sure.

del griffith, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:28 (five months ago) link

actually I think the apostrophe is acceptable in that case, lol

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Monday, 27 January 2020 23:41 (five months ago) link

I dunno if we're doing Chicago or APA style but to me it seems more intuitive to use the apostrophe like "Dierk's Bentley was not welcome at the CMAs so the CMA's valet requested he arrive in a muddy pickup truck instead."

del griffith, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:47 (five months ago) link

long interview from 2018:

https://believermag.com/an-interview-with-david-berman/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 31 January 2020 16:28 (five months ago) link

That piece is a) brilliant and ii) costing me a bloody fortune (it's FULL of reading recommendations). Along with everything else about Berman, he was a nexus for so much interesting stuff. I wish someone could/would aggregate all of his recommendations.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:39 (five months ago) link

That interview sure doesn’t make the album (or any of its songs) sound like they were intended as a “suicide note.”

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:21 (five months ago) link

I read https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464 [The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy—What the Cycles of History Tell Us about America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny] in the nineties.

It really influenced my picture of what 2020 would look like, and 25 years later it looks to me like it’s still on course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

It makes a really incredible claim, that four generational

types go round and round every hundred years. That one of these types shows up every 80 years: glorious rev —-> American revolution —-> Civil War —-> Depression —-> WWII —-> today (these are all roughly 80 years apart). In conjunction with a major crisis/meltdown to rebuild society on new terms. So generation Z, in this case, grow up in chaos and develop the characteristics that the WWII generation had—the world conquering abilities. The children of the WWII generation—the silent generation, the baby boomers—grew up coddled in the new regime, and started to tear it down, initiating another meltdown. Any serious person would laugh at this book. Take a look.

nooooooooo david!

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 2 February 2020 20:45 (five months ago) link

it's a great interview, btw (still reading). this just jumped out to me because nooooo

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 2 February 2020 20:45 (five months ago) link

btw the vinyl is back in stock at Drag City for $22 so you don't have to go to scumbag eBay vultures, free shipping even!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 February 2020 21:18 (five months ago) link

It's available again in the UK, too - a bunch of places have it. Norman Records have it's for £20.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 2 February 2020 21:52 (five months ago) link

how well known would he have been without the pavement connection? i think he may have been virtually unknown

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:52 (five months ago) link

*look of consternation*

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:04 (five months ago) link

how well known would he have been without the pavement connection? i think he may have been virtually unknown

― otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:52 AM (twenty-six minutes ago)

This feels anachronistic to me. Around 1991, both bands had been operating in parallel. David, Steve & Bob were roommates in Jersey City goofing around as the Silver Jews while "Pavement" existed as a cross-country project with Steve's friend Scott in Stockton, basically recording when Steve would come home to visit on holidays/occasions. At the time, Pavement had a few obscure singles/EPs that had been primarily zine-worthy, maybe until SPIN hyped up Perfect Sound Forever is when the real buzz (or the Weddoes cover?).

The fact that David was roommates with 2 members of Pavement was simply circumstance as Bob, David & Steve had been playing music together at UVA a few years prior as Ectoslavia (with James McNew & Rob Chamberlain).

David is/was probably as famous as any other Drag City artist not named Pavement. So if you think Royal Trux, Will Oldham, Bill Callahan are "virtually unknown" then maybe you are on to something. But Pavement/Malkmus made the jump from Drag City to Matador at a particularly opportune time, which was a huge factor in the reason for their popularity.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:38 (five months ago) link

(I'm on a long boring call, apologies if that doesn't make a ton of sense)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:39 (five months ago) link

why does this matter again? not asking you, Jersey Al, just wondering.

he stopped being virtually unknown 20+ years ago, had a critically acclaimed career that attracted a non-negligible (and passionate) fan base and now he's dead.

it seems particularly silly to try to determine whether he *really* deserved it all or not.

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:50 (five months ago) link

xp

it does make sense, and was interesting to read. you should write the longform pavement story/bio that i'm not sure exists yet

i thought SJ/DB were more popular than bill callahan, but as i compare YT view counts (not exactly definitive, i know) I seem to be wrong

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:56 (five months ago) link

xp: Oh I agree, which is why I stated that the OP's sentiment came from an anachronistic POV.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:57 (five months ago) link

my question really has nothing to do with Berman's work or value at all

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:58 (five months ago) link


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