Purple Mountains (RIP David Berman, August 2019)

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I can't decipher the "Sue Me Jack" monologue, but are you referring to the monologue on "Welcome to the House of the Bats"?

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:20 (five months ago) link

Thanks for sharing that video, btw. And yes, I recognize D. Wolk (I worked w/him a million years ago)

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:25 (five months ago) link

SM asked Bob to do a monologue referencing Remington (i.e. the "Sue Me Jack" bit) during the Bats coda, I'm just providing some trivial background on it.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:44 (five months ago) link

Cool, I just got to that part in the video (and sorry if I sounded confused -- I was referring to the fact that the Remington monologue can be heard very clearing in the original recording of "House of the Bats"; I didn't realize that the "Sue Me Jack" bit had the same subject, as it's buried so deep in the mix.)

Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:47 (five months ago) link

I attended the Portland thing. Was hoping Stephen and Bob would say a bit more about David, but there wasn't much. Ever-guarded Stephen - as you might guess - said basically nothing. Bob had an emotional moment you can watch in the 22nd minute of that video up there.

That pretty much sums the two of them up.

Their relationship and the way it benefitted both of them in Pavement really fascinates me.

alpine static, Friday, 10 January 2020 05:51 (five months ago) link

That performance was rough.

Duke, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:09 (five months ago) link

They didn't practice. The songs are super old and they haven't played them in years. What they did is exactly what I expected (and wanted).

alpine static, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:29 (five months ago) link

it was great — sounded like early joos.

tylerw, Friday, 10 January 2020 20:03 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Another Titans tribute:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7ZWAIMF3Tr/?igshid=1ns9wfh71uam4

dad genes (morrisp), Saturday, 25 January 2020 20:30 (five months ago) link

Mentioned it in another thread, but I’d like to hear Pet Shop Boys do “Margaritas at the Mall.”

... (Eazy), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:03 (five months ago) link

His passing has received more mention from a professional football team than from the Grammys

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:19 (five months ago) link

goes without saying but the grammys have virtually nothing to do with people who make music

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:25 (five months ago) link

it's like an internal company end of year teambuilding award show that is for some reason televised and watched by millions of people

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:26 (five months ago) link

No mention of Scott Walker, Bushwick Bill, or Mark Hollis on the Grammy memorial segment (and they misspelled Ric Ocasek's name)

Not that any of those people would give a shit, but fans of those people (like me) definitely did

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:43 (five months ago) link

yeah that irked the fuck outta me

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:50 (five months ago) link

the grammies sucks ass and are run by scumbags, wouldn't want them to sully DCB's name by mentioning him

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:52 (five months ago) link

"the grammies sucks ass and are..."

god i am illiterate

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:53 (five months ago) link

"the grammies sucks ass" sounds better and rings truer.

del griffith, Monday, 27 January 2020 21:01 (five months ago) link

It is one award show.

"Purple Mountains is..." would also work fine.

pplains, Monday, 27 January 2020 21:16 (five months ago) link

the more appropriate test of industry integrity will be seeing whether or not DCB gets his three second salute within the obit montage at this November's 54th Annual CMA Awards.

or wait, I guess it's just The CMAs. or maybe just CMA. it's definitely not CMA's, that I know for sure.

del griffith, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:28 (five months ago) link

actually I think the apostrophe is acceptable in that case, lol

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Monday, 27 January 2020 23:41 (five months ago) link

I dunno if we're doing Chicago or APA style but to me it seems more intuitive to use the apostrophe like "Dierk's Bentley was not welcome at the CMAs so the CMA's valet requested he arrive in a muddy pickup truck instead."

del griffith, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:47 (five months ago) link

long interview from 2018:

https://believermag.com/an-interview-with-david-berman/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 31 January 2020 16:28 (five months ago) link

That piece is a) brilliant and ii) costing me a bloody fortune (it's FULL of reading recommendations). Along with everything else about Berman, he was a nexus for so much interesting stuff. I wish someone could/would aggregate all of his recommendations.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:39 (five months ago) link

That interview sure doesn’t make the album (or any of its songs) sound like they were intended as a “suicide note.”

dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:21 (five months ago) link

I read https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464 [The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy—What the Cycles of History Tell Us about America’s Next Rendezvous with Destiny] in the nineties.

It really influenced my picture of what 2020 would look like, and 25 years later it looks to me like it’s still on course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

It makes a really incredible claim, that four generational

types go round and round every hundred years. That one of these types shows up every 80 years: glorious rev —-> American revolution —-> Civil War —-> Depression —-> WWII —-> today (these are all roughly 80 years apart). In conjunction with a major crisis/meltdown to rebuild society on new terms. So generation Z, in this case, grow up in chaos and develop the characteristics that the WWII generation had—the world conquering abilities. The children of the WWII generation—the silent generation, the baby boomers—grew up coddled in the new regime, and started to tear it down, initiating another meltdown. Any serious person would laugh at this book. Take a look.

nooooooooo david!

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 2 February 2020 20:45 (five months ago) link

it's a great interview, btw (still reading). this just jumped out to me because nooooo

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 2 February 2020 20:45 (five months ago) link

btw the vinyl is back in stock at Drag City for $22 so you don't have to go to scumbag eBay vultures, free shipping even!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 February 2020 21:18 (five months ago) link

It's available again in the UK, too - a bunch of places have it. Norman Records have it's for £20.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 2 February 2020 21:52 (five months ago) link

how well known would he have been without the pavement connection? i think he may have been virtually unknown

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:52 (five months ago) link

*look of consternation*

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:04 (five months ago) link

how well known would he have been without the pavement connection? i think he may have been virtually unknown

― otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:52 AM (twenty-six minutes ago)

This feels anachronistic to me. Around 1991, both bands had been operating in parallel. David, Steve & Bob were roommates in Jersey City goofing around as the Silver Jews while "Pavement" existed as a cross-country project with Steve's friend Scott in Stockton, basically recording when Steve would come home to visit on holidays/occasions. At the time, Pavement had a few obscure singles/EPs that had been primarily zine-worthy, maybe until SPIN hyped up Perfect Sound Forever is when the real buzz (or the Weddoes cover?).

The fact that David was roommates with 2 members of Pavement was simply circumstance as Bob, David & Steve had been playing music together at UVA a few years prior as Ectoslavia (with James McNew & Rob Chamberlain).

David is/was probably as famous as any other Drag City artist not named Pavement. So if you think Royal Trux, Will Oldham, Bill Callahan are "virtually unknown" then maybe you are on to something. But Pavement/Malkmus made the jump from Drag City to Matador at a particularly opportune time, which was a huge factor in the reason for their popularity.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:38 (five months ago) link

(I'm on a long boring call, apologies if that doesn't make a ton of sense)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:39 (five months ago) link

why does this matter again? not asking you, Jersey Al, just wondering.

he stopped being virtually unknown 20+ years ago, had a critically acclaimed career that attracted a non-negligible (and passionate) fan base and now he's dead.

it seems particularly silly to try to determine whether he *really* deserved it all or not.

alpine static, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:50 (five months ago) link

xp

it does make sense, and was interesting to read. you should write the longform pavement story/bio that i'm not sure exists yet

i thought SJ/DB were more popular than bill callahan, but as i compare YT view counts (not exactly definitive, i know) I seem to be wrong

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:56 (five months ago) link

xp: Oh I agree, which is why I stated that the OP's sentiment came from an anachronistic POV.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:57 (five months ago) link

my question really has nothing to do with Berman's work or value at all

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:58 (five months ago) link

in a subjective sense

otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:59 (five months ago) link

I haven't read it since it was published, but I'm sure Rob Jovanovic's Pavement bio goes into most of this Inside Baseball level backstory.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:59 (five months ago) link

Albert B otm xp

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:00 (five months ago) link

OTOH drag city itself probably owes something to the pavement connection, so you could say that lifted all boats

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:03 (five months ago) link

i thought SJ/DB were more popular than bill callahan, but as i compare YT view counts (not exactly definitive, i know) I seem to be wrong

I learned over the weekend that my mother, of all people, is apparently a big Callahan head ("Do you know him, and his band, Smog? He's so talented, he has an amazing voice... there's no one else like him!").

She's not an "indie" type at all. I was pretty surprised.

dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:03 (five months ago) link

Regardless though, once I got to know Silver Jews, I thought (and still think) them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:04 (five months ago) link

(him)

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:04 (five months ago) link

There are hundreds of bands that were offshoots and side projects of better known indie bands whose albums currently languish in dollar bins worldwide. If SJ was ever considered a Pavement "side project," it transcended this, by my estimation, around the time of The Natural Bridge and became its own thing with its own distinct fanbase. To claim SJ might have been "virtually unknown" is incorrect. When I think of virtually unknown bands that feature members of relatively well-loved Drag City and Matador acts, I think of Pale Horse Riders, Drinks, Dan'l Boone, The Sundowners, New Bums, Nervous Cop, Preston School of Industry, etc.

fwiw idgaf about Pavement but I'm a longtime Silver Jews fan, and I can't imagine I'm the only person who fits this description

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:13 (five months ago) link

Hey Paul, totally off-topic – how did you like that Fiery Furnaces album you ordered on eBay?

dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:17 (five months ago) link

My "favorite" Silver Jews/Pavement related obscure band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WId0rLAItJo

They played CBs a few times. Nobody remembers them. This video has 568 views in 9 years, probably a dozen from me.

vox/guitar is UVA roommate/best-friend of DCB who was also a former member of Ectoslavia... and Mark Ibold replaced him as bass player of Pavement after a few gigs. Also a Swans & Live Skull connection.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:25 (five months ago) link

(^this is the definition of virtually unknown imho)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:28 (five months ago) link

Hey Paul, totally off-topic – how did you like that Fiery Furnaces album you ordered on eBay?

― dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 2:17 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I loved it, actually, and it made me want to go back to the others I neglected. Meant to thank you for the tip! "Drive to Dallas" and "Charmagne Champagne" are top shelf FF, and I laughed out loud every time the "Take Me Round Again" chorus repeated ("listen, Lester!"). Dunno why I ever stopped paying attention to this band when they were around, especially since I was crazy about their first few albums, and have also enjoyed all of Eleanor's solo stuff.

Sorry for the derail!

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:39 (five months ago) link


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