END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Bernie Sanders showing us all that the key to having a long healthy life is to never ever go online under any circumstance. pic.twitter.com/Jc4qJbLQYK

— Arman Kalyani (@ArmanK925) January 13, 2020

he's got my vote

:)

lol, these questions

KK: I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a couple of more personal questions. Can you give us an example of one person who’s broken your heart?

[AFTER A LONG PAUSE] What, on a personal level?

KK: Yeah.

No. I won’t. Even candidates for president of the United States have a limited amount of privacy.

CW: Are you an Amazon Prime member?

Pardon me?

CW: Are you an Amazon Prime member?

No.

He’s the fucking best I love him so much

these journos make Joy Behar look like I.F. Stone

eh fuck it I'll vote for Biden.

I watched A Serious Man recently. I think Joe Biden would make a president who could properly appreciate that parking lot.

"Bipartisan deal-making," which Bernie Sanders is surprisingly good at, and symbolically introducing bills with a GOP cosponsor, which Sanders doesn't do, are completely different things. Not remotely the same.

This is so embarrassing for the Times. https://t.co/RVEiuktXKu pic.twitter.com/T8PPBMa97n

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) January 13, 2020

Using the far-right’s appropriation of things the left has always done to call Sanders Trump-like is especially insidious b/c fascists often appropriate left tactics & stances. They say they oppose capitalism. They say they oppose war. We can’t let the far right own these things. https://t.co/rybTwBGDov

— Sarah Lazare (@sarahlazare) January 13, 2020

another day, another fugue of depression over how the journalists at the nyt are fucking idiots

fuck the times

Thanks NYT my monthly donation to Bernie just got $10 higher

what a moronic question. one person is running for president, and trying to persuade new supporters, the other person has been holding ego-soothing and image-goosing rallies for true believers while being president instead of being 'the president of all americans' and like, doing the work of the office

The note after the “who broke your heart” question is batshit - “It was really interesting the way he didn’t answer that question,” one board member said afterward in deliberations. “It was such a human response, and I think an older candidate will have the courage to do that, but it’ll be interesting to see if other candidates, particularly younger, ones feel like they’re forced to answer.”

about the candidate who commands the most support for men and women under 35

I thought that was from the cosmo interview where he shoots down the astrology question. NYT been a joke.

Why are they asking questions for the purpose of watching candidates squirm?

People are still talking about the "boxers or briefs" question Clinton got.

I'm in for Sanders in a couple weeks if David Sirota isn't part of his administration.

i'm not super thrilled with this new tactic of the warren campaign -- leaking private comments from years ago that, out of context, make bernie look bad

Treeship you remember what campaigning is, right?

hence Trump Lite

xp

wait what? This?

In response to a great deal of questions we’ve had today, below is a statement from Elizabeth Warren: pic.twitter.com/PdBCHJQCJE

— Kristen Orthman (@KristenOrthman) January 14, 2020

just one more good reason to skip tomorrow's debate

yeah. it was a sneaky trap.

1.) unnamed staffers float this unverified accusation.
2.) bernie denies -- but admits he said something about women candidates facing special challenges against trump, a misogynist. (which we all saw happen with our own eyes in 2016).
3.) warren comes out and calls bernie a liar. but then frames it in a way that makes it seem like she is being the bigger person.

I mean, I don't care, really. If either one's the nominee, I'd be shocked we'd moved so far left.

I skip all the debates bcz fucking showbiz

it was very deftly executed, but i think the main person it helps is biden. if warren does fall off, bernie is going to need her supporters to beat biden. and vice versa. this just builds animosity between the two camps.

treesh get off the fucking internet

Well, yeah, and who cares? And I speak as someone who spent a marvelous 70 minutes getting attacked by Warren people for giving Sanders some cred.

It's stupid, and it makes me wanna consider dumping Twitter (fat chance but whatever).

xpost

but yea, alfred -- if either is the nominee, it would be a great moment. just feel a little disappointed at warren -- who i was considering supporting before i decidedly switched to bernie a few months ago -- basically put a kick me sign on my candidates back.

treesh don’t go

i don't exist outside the internet, brad. i say i live in brooklyn but that's more like, a metaphor

well welcome to the fuckin primary, kick me signs for everyone

it would be a great moment. just feel a little disappointed at warren -- who i was considering supporting before i decidedly switched to bernie a few months ago -- basically put a kick me sign on my candidates back.

See, it's the opposite for me -- I'm disappointed in Sanders. But who cares? Either is fine, and campaign staffers gotta eat and vacation in Napa.

Why would it even matter if Bernie did say, in an ostensibly private conversation, that he didn't think a woman could win in 2020? What's wrong with that?

idk i’d yell at someone on ilx if they said that

Only that it confirms what katherine wrote earlier today about the messianism and institutional sexism in which so many of his worst followers traffic.

Again, campaign staffers gotta eat.

it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says

but who knows

People do remember Obama vs Clinton, right? That was kinda like this, except neither of them believed in shit.

I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.

it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says

― treeship., Monday, January 13, 2020

It is however consistent with what his 2016 staff did to the Nevada Dem state chair.

I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.

― JRN, Monday, January 13, 2020

Exactly. This is Mike Allen-level gossip looking for a Morning Joe to revel in it.

xp — I have very purposefully not weighed in on this latest turn of events but my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate, except to make me even less inclined to talk about them

that sounded exactly like something bernie would offhandedly say and then deny ever saying or brushing off. xpost. and i like Bernie! But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said. It's a very tired thing.

We have no idea of the Trump-specific context Bernie's entire sentence was in, whether he was aware how his sentence could be parsed that way, whether Warren misheard him, etc etc etc. They both still support each other and they both have policy platforms that would be good for the country, for the populace, and for the planet. Being disappointed in speculation about personal conversations is a waste of time and energy.

Policy >>>> personality, even if we really knew enough to assess their personalities as sucking, which we don't.

xp my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate

yah

katherine otm