END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

wait what? This?

In response to a great deal of questions we’ve had today, below is a statement from Elizabeth Warren: pic.twitter.com/PdBCHJQCJE

— Kristen Orthman (@KristenOrthman) January 14, 2020

just one more good reason to skip tomorrow's debate

yeah. it was a sneaky trap.

1.) unnamed staffers float this unverified accusation.
2.) bernie denies -- but admits he said something about women candidates facing special challenges against trump, a misogynist. (which we all saw happen with our own eyes in 2016).
3.) warren comes out and calls bernie a liar. but then frames it in a way that makes it seem like she is being the bigger person.

I mean, I don't care, really. If either one's the nominee, I'd be shocked we'd moved so far left.

I skip all the debates bcz fucking showbiz

it was very deftly executed, but i think the main person it helps is biden. if warren does fall off, bernie is going to need her supporters to beat biden. and vice versa. this just builds animosity between the two camps.

treesh get off the fucking internet

Well, yeah, and who cares? And I speak as someone who spent a marvelous 70 minutes getting attacked by Warren people for giving Sanders some cred.

It's stupid, and it makes me wanna consider dumping Twitter (fat chance but whatever).

xpost

but yea, alfred -- if either is the nominee, it would be a great moment. just feel a little disappointed at warren -- who i was considering supporting before i decidedly switched to bernie a few months ago -- basically put a kick me sign on my candidates back.

treesh don’t go

i don't exist outside the internet, brad. i say i live in brooklyn but that's more like, a metaphor

well welcome to the fuckin primary, kick me signs for everyone

it would be a great moment. just feel a little disappointed at warren -- who i was considering supporting before i decidedly switched to bernie a few months ago -- basically put a kick me sign on my candidates back.

See, it's the opposite for me -- I'm disappointed in Sanders. But who cares? Either is fine, and campaign staffers gotta eat and vacation in Napa.

Why would it even matter if Bernie did say, in an ostensibly private conversation, that he didn't think a woman could win in 2020? What's wrong with that?

idk i’d yell at someone on ilx if they said that

Only that it confirms what katherine wrote earlier today about the messianism and institutional sexism in which so many of his worst followers traffic.

Again, campaign staffers gotta eat.

it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says

but who knows

People do remember Obama vs Clinton, right? That was kinda like this, except neither of them believed in shit.

I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.

it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says

― treeship., Monday, January 13, 2020

It is however consistent with what his 2016 staff did to the Nevada Dem state chair.

I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.

― JRN, Monday, January 13, 2020

Exactly. This is Mike Allen-level gossip looking for a Morning Joe to revel in it.

xp — I have very purposefully not weighed in on this latest turn of events but my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate, except to make me even less inclined to talk about them

that sounded exactly like something bernie would offhandedly say and then deny ever saying or brushing off. xpost. and i like Bernie! But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said. It's a very tired thing.

We have no idea of the Trump-specific context Bernie's entire sentence was in, whether he was aware how his sentence could be parsed that way, whether Warren misheard him, etc etc etc. They both still support each other and they both have policy platforms that would be good for the country, for the populace, and for the planet. Being disappointed in speculation about personal conversations is a waste of time and energy.

Policy >>>> personality, even if we really knew enough to assess their personalities as sucking, which we don't.

xp my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate

yah

katherine otm

The only upside is it's unlikely anyone of consequence will be talking about this within 3-4 days

Sanders remarking that Clinton's close loss in 2016 speaks to the difficulty of getting a woman elected as president in a country as fucking sexist as America is plausible, but that's me finding context in he-said/she-said in which I incline to agree with Warren anyway because America is a fucking sexist country. Men -- I include myself -- have no idea how we come off when we hammer points at women.

hm

But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said.

otm

Yes. One comment, apparently made during a private conversation between two politicians who were considering running for the same office, expressing a hunch about what might theoretically happen when the votes were cast about sixteen months in the future, really ought to be our focus of attention now. Because these things matter deeply to the fate of the na... uh, nope, nevermind.

the reason we're talking about it is because members of the warren campaign leaked it

we don't have to talk about it!

of course! that explains why we are treating this as a momentous event! next, they may leak that Bernie puts russian dressing on his reuben sandwich.

Hey Mike, it's Young han with Bernie 2020! Did you hear? Senator Nina Turner is hosting a House Party with Dr. Cornel West and Dionna Langford in Des Moines on Wednesday, Jan 15 at 6:00 PM. Are you able to join them?

just got this text and... maybe? the guests are getting more intense tbh

Young Han?

we cannot pass up an opportunity to reiterate that ALL m... naaah

xp Sounds like a normal Korean name

i thought it was some kind of rapper trying to work in a han solo reference

that thought seems offensive now though

Bernie's got the Yung Titties endorsement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhEKVIS2uk

huh, could have sworn I’d changed that to have mh instead of a first name. now I’ll never anonymously meet Cornel West!

Treesh, why is Warren responsible for what members of her campaign is doing when Bernie gets to go 'it's a large campaign, I can't control everyone' all the time?

The Warren campaign just released the transcript of that meeting. Doesn’t look good for Bernie pic.twitter.com/HGPki1esSg

— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) January 14, 2020

[BREAKING] Democratic party insiders now report that in October 2018, Mr. Sanders and an unidentified shorter assailant stole and escaped with Ms. Warren's pickanick basket while vacationing at Jellystone Park

— lauren (@LLW902) January 13, 2020

pic.twitter.com/mxEsZpFvMb

— Alex (@AlexSheltman) January 13, 2020

Turns out “capitalist to the bones” means something.

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) January 14, 2020

It is however consistent with what his 2016 staff did to the Nevada Dem state chair.

These were just random loser supporters, I thought? Is there any evidence that any of Sanders's staff harassed or threatened the state chair?

Also, it is a matter of record that he encouraged Warren to run in 2016 before running himself, I thought?

Can’t believe Warren can’t even finish the job properly.