END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Only that it confirms what katherine wrote earlier today about the messianism and institutional sexism in which so many of his worst followers traffic.

Again, campaign staffers gotta eat.

it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says

but who knows

People do remember Obama vs Clinton, right? That was kinda like this, except neither of them believed in shit.

I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.

it doesn't sound consistent with other stuff bernie says

― treeship., Monday, January 13, 2020

It is however consistent with what his 2016 staff did to the Nevada Dem state chair.

I don't see how the alleged remark traffics in either messianism or institutional sexism. I suppose it could have, depending on the context, but we don't know the context.

― JRN, Monday, January 13, 2020

Exactly. This is Mike Allen-level gossip looking for a Morning Joe to revel in it.

xp — I have very purposefully not weighed in on this latest turn of events but my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate, except to make me even less inclined to talk about them

that sounded exactly like something bernie would offhandedly say and then deny ever saying or brushing off. xpost. and i like Bernie! But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said. It's a very tired thing.

We have no idea of the Trump-specific context Bernie's entire sentence was in, whether he was aware how his sentence could be parsed that way, whether Warren misheard him, etc etc etc. They both still support each other and they both have policy platforms that would be good for the country, for the populace, and for the planet. Being disappointed in speculation about personal conversations is a waste of time and energy.

Policy >>>> personality, even if we really knew enough to assess their personalities as sucking, which we don't.

xp my stance is that every part of it is shitty and it would have been better off not happening (both whatever the remark was and it surfacing like this) but it doesn’t really change my views about either candidate

yah

katherine otm

The only upside is it's unlikely anyone of consequence will be talking about this within 3-4 days

Sanders remarking that Clinton's close loss in 2016 speaks to the difficulty of getting a woman elected as president in a country as fucking sexist as America is plausible, but that's me finding context in he-said/she-said in which I incline to agree with Warren anyway because America is a fucking sexist country. Men -- I include myself -- have no idea how we come off when we hammer points at women.

hm

But a comment like is a whole subcategory of shit men later have no recollection ever having said.

otm

Yes. One comment, apparently made during a private conversation between two politicians who were considering running for the same office, expressing a hunch about what might theoretically happen when the votes were cast about sixteen months in the future, really ought to be our focus of attention now. Because these things matter deeply to the fate of the na... uh, nope, nevermind.

the reason we're talking about it is because members of the warren campaign leaked it

we don't have to talk about it!

of course! that explains why we are treating this as a momentous event! next, they may leak that Bernie puts russian dressing on his reuben sandwich.

Hey Mike, it's Young han with Bernie 2020! Did you hear? Senator Nina Turner is hosting a House Party with Dr. Cornel West and Dionna Langford in Des Moines on Wednesday, Jan 15 at 6:00 PM. Are you able to join them?

just got this text and... maybe? the guests are getting more intense tbh

Young Han?

we cannot pass up an opportunity to reiterate that ALL m... naaah

xp Sounds like a normal Korean name

i thought it was some kind of rapper trying to work in a han solo reference

that thought seems offensive now though

Bernie's got the Yung Titties endorsement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhEKVIS2uk

huh, could have sworn I’d changed that to have mh instead of a first name. now I’ll never anonymously meet Cornel West!

Treesh, why is Warren responsible for what members of her campaign is doing when Bernie gets to go 'it's a large campaign, I can't control everyone' all the time?

The Warren campaign just released the transcript of that meeting. Doesn’t look good for Bernie pic.twitter.com/HGPki1esSg

— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) January 14, 2020

[BREAKING] Democratic party insiders now report that in October 2018, Mr. Sanders and an unidentified shorter assailant stole and escaped with Ms. Warren's pickanick basket while vacationing at Jellystone Park

— lauren (@LLW902) January 13, 2020

pic.twitter.com/mxEsZpFvMb

— Alex (@AlexSheltman) January 13, 2020

Turns out “capitalist to the bones” means something.

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) January 14, 2020

It is however consistent with what his 2016 staff did to the Nevada Dem state chair.

These were just random loser supporters, I thought? Is there any evidence that any of Sanders's staff harassed or threatened the state chair?

Also, it is a matter of record that he encouraged Warren to run in 2016 before running himself, I thought?

Can’t believe Warren can’t even finish the job properly.

that henwood tweet and the replies to it made me dumber

can’t wait for the fuckin primary to be over

y’all.... Bernie is the one who fucked up here not Warren. it doesn’t mean it’s gonna tank his campaign. but Bernie bros acting like assholes about this might make things worse.

that henwood tweet and the replies to it made me dumber

a reply by what looked like a bot made my blood pressure rise

love too be a Bernie bro

honestly not sure what he said was highly controversial considering it was the US and the last election people chose an unqualified mendacious liar over a female candidate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

y’all.... Bernie is the one who fucked up here not Warren. it doesn’t mean it’s gonna tank his campaign. but Bernie bros acting like assholes about this might make things worse.

Yeah, I don't think this needs to be read as some kind of devious stratagem by Warren. Maybe Sanders did, uncharacteristically, make some comment like this in private and some staffers heard about it and commented on it to CNN. Warren may well have not wanted it to become a public matter but, when pressed, did just acknowledge it and emphasize that she wants to move past it.

Her statement does not read that way at all imo.

The timing is what's really unfortunate

honestly not sure what he said was highly controversial considering it was the US and the last election people chose an unqualified mendacious liar over a female candidate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

― steer karma (gyac)

If you're a guy talking to a woman, without knowing the context of the conversation, this comment can be interpreted several ways, especially if body language is involved.

I know!

I think given everything else we know about Sanders, gyac's charitable read makes sense. I don't believe dude is a misogynist, but it was definitely a tone-deaf thing for him to say.

nobody knows what anybody said

it's incumbent on voters to assess ppl's character the best we can and try despite our biases not to get pulled into this stuff

What’s wrong with just staying neutral on this one? We don’t know the precise nuance of the original comment. It could have been as Warren described it or as Sanders described it.

I am “neutral” but that Henwood bullshit made me see red

My read wasn’t charitable per se, but honestly I feel like he might have phrased it clumsily. It is a fact that sexism counts against female candidates and it will definitely factor into any female candidate in the presidential election, especially against someone who’s weaponised misogyny and male resentment as totally as Trump. That’s not the same as saying “...so let’s play it safe and you don’t bother standing, little lady.”

What’s wrong with just staying neutral on this one? We don’t know the precise nuance of the original comment. It could have been as Warren described it or as Sanders described it.

― jmm, Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:43 AM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

both camps of people now view you as satan, not just one or the other