hall of fame, next vote...

is it possible that both bonds and clemens are sleeping with the writer's spouses? i suppose it's also possible that as new writers join the ranks of HOF voters, and other writers leave, the overall number of writers whose spouses bonds/clemens have slept with is fluctuating over the years

idk how serious wagner's oblique injury was, but it's interesting that he retired after being extremely good in 2010

On February 12, 2011, Wagner reiterated his intention to retire, stating, "I’m totally content with not playing baseball," Wagner said. "I love watching it, I love talking about it. If I miss anything, it would be some of the guys I played with and actually competing on the field, but other than that, you can keep it."

tbh i say put him in the hall just for pitching like that with his non-dominant arm

Bonds had domestic violence accusations made against him in his divorce

Posnanski's ballot. I put it on a Google Doc--Joe says he okay with occasional sharing.

http://docs.google.com/document/d/15pVy5d3tolQGbj6EvPVpnwELl-evYKgzCmo3f7DpJOY/edit?usp=sharing

Looks like Walker's going to be teetering on the fence and Schilling will fall short.

excited for this last round of jeter encomiums

I get that it's a weak class but it kind of sucks that the third-best shortstop of the era is the one who's going to be remembered as being enshrined with 100%

There's not really a good argument for not inclluding Jeter on your ballot but then again there was also no good argument for leaving off RICKEY FUCKING HENDERSON and people did that.

he's not gonna get 100%

Although I believe I’m going to come up a little short today I still wanna thank all you that have been pulling for me and showing your support. I’m grateful for all of you! It’s been fun leading up to today reading everyone’s thoughts. Cheers 🍻 LW

— Larry Walker (@Cdnmooselips33) January 21, 2020

third-best shortstop of the era

A-Rod...who's second? Ripken and Larkin overlap, but they're a half-era ahead of Jeter; Trammell retires a year after Jeter debuts.

Rey Ordonez

FACKIN' NOMAH

fWAR, 1990-present, shortstops

A-Rod: 114 WAR
Jeter: 73
Larkin: 55
Rollins: 49
Reyes: 48

fWAR, 1980-present, shortstops

A-Rod: 114 WAR
Ripken: 93
Jeter: 73
Larkin: 55
Ozzie: 64

yeah he was second in his era

I guess it depends on how you define era, but Ripken wins his second MVP four years before Jeter debuts. I'm a big Garciaparra fan, though, and I think you can make a credible argument that he was the better player during his '97-'03 peak (allowing for a write-off injury year).

nomar was consistently HOF-level during that run, half a dozen 6+ bWAR seasons during that 7-year peak (to Jeter's 3...during his whole career). great enough to be borderline HOF as is. if he'd had just 3-4 more seasons even at the level of his vv good year w/the dodgers towards the end of his career he might be creeping towards election.

but he's like the Mattingly of shortstops so he'll remain on the outside looking in. Jeter's two best bWAR seasons top his btw. Jetes' defense was inferior which makes one wonder where the numbers would be if he was above average w/the glove.

Yeah I mean Ripken and Rodriguez. By "era" I guess I mean "my adult baseball-watching life." If you define era around Jeter narrowly enough to exclude Ripken it's somehow even less impressive that he was second best! Garciaparra was better than Jeter over their overlapping primes but of course Garciaparra didn't have the durability. But yeah, so I guess for the first part of his career Jeter is second or third best SS in the AL behind Garciaparra and Rodriguez, then NYY forces Rodriguez to change positions and maybe at that point Jeter is the AL's top SS? But he's already in decline at that point, so how often is he really the best shortstop in the league? 2006 he has a pretty good year, comes in second in MVP voting, but -- probably Carlos Guillen was a little better? 2009 he was good too. But basically, unlike Garciaparra, he just kind of chugged along being consistently pretty good for a long time (which tbf you could also say of Ripken, but Ripken was coming from a higher peak and chugged along even longer.)

think you have to include barry larkin in this 'era'. he doesn't have jeter's counting stats, but was a better defender, won an mvp, and has pretty similar numbers overall

Oh yeah good point! I'm very AL-focused and never really think about Larkin, but it's definitely right to say that Jeter is the Barry Larkin of this year's class .

oh damn Larry Walker made it!

Jeter one shy of unanimous lmao

Really happy about Walker. Was anyone closer on their last year?

COMPLETE VOTING TOTALS

Derek Jeter: 396 votes (99.7 percent)

Larry Walker: 304 (76.6)

Curt Schilling: 278 (70.0

Roger Clemens: 242 (61.0)

Barry Bonds: 241 (60.7)

Omar Vizquel: 209 (52.6)

Scott Rolen: 140 (35.3)

Billy Wagner: 126 (31.7)

Gary Sheffield: 121 (30.5)

Todd Helton: 116 (29.2)

Manny Ramírez: 112 (28.2)

Jeff Kent 109: (27.5)

Andruw Jones: 77 (19.4)

Sammy Sosa: 55 (13.9)

Andy Pettitte: 45 (11.3)

Bobby Abreu: 22 (5.5)

Paul Konerko: 10 (2.5)

Jason Giambi: 6 (1.5)
Alfonso Soriano: 6 (1.5)

Eric Chávez: 2 (0.5)
Cliff Lee: 2 (0.5)

Adam Dunn: 1 (0.3)
Brad Penny: 1 (0.3)
Raúl Ibañez: 1 (0.3)
J.J. Putz: 1 (0.3)

Josh Beckett: 0
Heath Bell: 0
Chone Figgins: 0
Rafael Furcal: 0
Carlos Peña: 0
Brian Roberts: 0
José Valverde: 0

Schilling has to be a shoo-in for 2021--Hudson and Buehrle are the WAR leaders coming onto the ballot, and there are no non-PED guys close behind him. Maybe he could help his case by not talking for the next 12 months.

Paul Konerko: 10 (2.5)
Jason Giambi: 6 (1.5)
Alfonso Soriano: 6 (1.5)
Adam Dunn: 1 (0.3)

Certainly not advocating for any of these guys, but that's a lot of HR for 23 votes.

That's cute; Larry Walker says remember on old 45s "where you didn't know the song on the other side? ...I'm the B-side" to Jeter.

— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) January 21, 2020

Rolen, Sheffield, and Wagner basically doubled last year's vote%. Helton came close to that. Jones had a good gain but was only up to 19%. Sosa, Pettitte, Kent, Ramirez not making the necessary moves quite yet. Vizquel is.

Not counting out Schilling, in terms of saying something incredibly stupid.

who fuckin voted for jj putz

Hopefully the one who didn’t vote for Jeter.

we've been willing Larry's election for a few years now, good job all around to the ILB team.

yeah we're on a roll with blyleven/rock/edgar

I guess Lou Whitaker takes his place next in that line (Schilling would have been if he weren't Curt Schilling).

Check that--I guess it's Rolen, Whitaker having moved on to the Veteran's Committee.

Whoever left Jeter off is my hero. Sending a gift basket if I ever get his name.

Walker is 2nd Canadian HOFer after Fergie Jenkins.

Whoever left Jeter off is a selfish prick who doesn’t take his job seriously

I’m sure he’ll get all the attention he’s so desperately hoping for

hahaha <3 Hadrian, you Bronx tool

went to check sardell's projections right after the totals came out (he was most accurate last year) and with a few exceptions he got ridiculously close

https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/121975042238827724

fuckin twitter

here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1si0SX4AE4aBp.jpg

Walker is 2nd Canadian HOFer after Fergie Jenkins.
― jaymc

And first to have played for a Canadian team.

Remember there were three people who didn’t vote for Griffey. I woulda bet my life savings that he’d be the first unanimous one.

jeter was my fav athlete growing up and I think coming one vote short is pretty funny

iirc b-ref's sean forman said he was not voting for jeter for strategic reasons -- he'd have done so had he not been limited to 10. dunno if he changed his mind, but whatever, it's fine

Jetes was never my favorite Yankee and I guess it is kind of funny but also come on

What a moment for Larry Walker 🇨🇦❤️ pic.twitter.com/o8tW3SH2ea

— Offside (@OffsideDH) January 22, 2020

I love how the guy begins "I'm calling to let you know that you did not..."--cruel!

iirc b-ref's sean forman said he was not voting for jeter for strategic reasons -- he'd have done so had he not been limited to 10. dunno if he changed his mind, but whatever, it's fine

― mookieproof, Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:19 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

forman's ballot was public, he voted for him

Ok here it is.

Decided I couldn’t take the heat dropping Jeter. #notproud

Decided to add Sosa, 8th year and needs votes.

10 vote limit casualties: schilling and Sheffield maybe in future.

This was difficult.

My process: https://t.co/depiSNfnpx

CC: @NotMrTibbs pic.twitter.com/UOwnXEkfeo

— Sean Forman (@sean_forman) December 30, 2019

Really happy for Walker. He was polling at 10% six years ago and trending downward. The first few ballots he appeared on were the most crowded ones ever, but still, it's an amazing comeback.

two years from now it's gonna be a wild one: last year on the ballot for Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa (would be for Schilling but i assume enough voters will be holding their noses and checking his name next year and he'll get in). plus the first year on the ballot for A-Rod and Ortiz.

three years from now it'll be Kent's last year and Beltran's first.

four years: Beltre, Mauer, Utley debut. Sheffield's last.

five years: Ichiro, Sabathia...?