funnily enough watching clockers reminded me of JLG's way with colour, spike's colourways are not dissimilar
― mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:20 (four years ago) link
JLG's 60s run has some very strong use of colour, when he decides to use it.
Overdoes it a bit in "Pierrot le Fou" tbh.
― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:43 (four years ago) link
This is the one I wanted to re-watch from his 60s run that's available on mubi rn. And I don't think I've seen Made in USA.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:57 (four years ago) link
Overdoes everything a bit in "Pierrot le Fou" tbf.
― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:58 (four years ago) link
Don't think it's ever possible to overdo colour in movies tbh!
Wonder if those rich deep reds and blues were partly related to certain kinds of film stocks in use in the 1960s - you see the same kind of vibrancy in things like Bava's Blood and Black Lace, for example:
http://cdn8.openculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/27230834/blue-red-godard.png
http://americancinemathequecalendar.com/sites/default/files/stills_events_390_240/blood_and_black_lace_390.jpg?1500947885
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link
kickstarter to colorise à bout de souffle
― mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:13 (four years ago) link
Heh, made me realisethat all the production stills I've seen from a bout de soufflé's are in black and white as well.
TBF, Jim McBride did give it a go in the 1980s:
https://i0.wp.com/filmotomy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/breathless02.jpg?resize=651%2C361&ssl=1
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:19 (four years ago) link
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36mi2d
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 January 2020 13:19 (four years ago) link
I watched VIVRE SA VIE for the 2nd time last weekend, and in fact wrote a note on it here:https://reelingatall.wordpress.com/2020/01/20/vivre-sa-vie-1962/
Mulvey and MacCabe edited a book on LE MEPRIS - I have a copy signed by both of them.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 26 January 2020 13:37 (four years ago) link
probably that's what i had in mind then -- i was at S&S when maccabe was for a while an affable bigwig there (until alan parker put an end to such nonsense) and laura m had an office across the corridor from the magazine
the maccabe book on godard that i read while researching my if…. book (which i'm guessing was "godard: a portrait of the artist at seventy" since he was 70 in 2000, tho amazon indicates a more recent publication date, 2014, perhaps of a revised edition?) was NOT THAT GREAT tbh, a masterclass in treating avant-garde innovation as a justifying value in itself, taking care to keep up with godard's line at any moment, but very much seeming to believe that beyond that there's no more to say. in other words -- this being a mode i encountered often at the wire and become exhausted by -- an intricate celebration of the contents of the ever-shifting manifesto that nevertheless sold the target of its uncritical love dismayingly short :(
― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link
godard's sympathy for the devil was on tv last week (london live, Freeview ch8) and was 2 hours of variously the stones in the studio rehearsing said song, some people reading out black power leaflets, a bookshop selling girly books populated by people doing Nazi salutes, some woman in a garden answering yes/no questions. it was odd.
no anna karina tributes on any channels here that I've seen 8(
― koogs, Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
the maccabe book on godard that i read while researching my if…. book
an intricate celebration of the contents of the ever-shifting manifesto that nevertheless sold the target of its uncritical love dismayingly short :(
― TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Marat/Sade (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
I kinda really like Sympathy for the Devil / One Plus One. I see it as portraits of people - including Godard himself - trying to find the next step af 68. The touching thing is that Rolling Stones pretty clearly finds it, and makes a masterpiece while we watches, but nobody else does. Godard least of all. I do find his following fumbling decades very interesting.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
Yes, it's good!
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link
i've not seen about half of them but (including one plus one) but the period from la chinoise (1967) to numero deux (1975) is probably actually my favourite: he's swapped out "the girl, the gun" (american cinema's primary language) and swapped in "a third-marxist student's notion of revolutionary ideology, the gun" and is falling dizzily in and out of amused lust with the latter as the relationships go awry (exactly as they did with "the girl" in every one pre-chinoise) -- all the while basically inventing ultraleft-shitposting-on-twitter as cinema's coming language (which no one takes him up on) (until twitter)
― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
"third-marxist" = "third-world marxist"
also "basically inventing" = "largely stealing off of debord" as debord never ever stopped huffily pointing out lol
― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
It's very odd that London Live would show such a film.
Books:MacCabe wrote one with a chapter with Mulvey, c.1980MacCabe's biography is c.2005LE MEPRIS by MacCabe / Mulvey is 2012
― the pinefox, Sunday, 26 January 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
didn't know abt the MacCabe/Mulvey volume - the only thing I can find online is this -
https://www.bookdepository.com/Godards-Contempt-Colin-Maccabe/9781444339314
- is that what you're talking abt, pinfox?
I think I've related elsewhere on ILX that the one time I saw Godard interviewed in person was at the NFT w/ Maccabe moderating - JLG was NOT playing ball that evening, making for a pretty awkward hour or so. Maccabe's BFI classic on Performance is one of the best in the series, imho.
mark s, thank you for that great post about 67-75 JLG, which might well be my favourite era too (tho some things from that period are still pretty fugitive in any legit form - but then that's part of the appeal/mystique, always) - i only really 'lived' the very tail end of this kind of ultraleft shitposting, so witnessing the early 'high' phase of the vanguard moment - enacted on film! - is incredibly intoxicating, almost like a glimpse of an alternate world, but also there's a melancholy feeling from viewing in hindsight, and knowing the way things have gone. Sometimes - especially the bomb building sequence in (iirc) British Sounds - the rhetoric is frightening/provoking, still.
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
I know, right? Non-BBC/ITV/Sky TV is feeling the crunch from on demand services so strongly these days that any niche audience they can capture gets a shot, I think.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:12 (four years ago) link
Somebody told me this just the other day - that London Live show lots of obscure old British films. This would suit me as I get half my film viewing from TV. But this particular JLG film is still an odd choice.
Ward Fowler: yes, that's the volume. CM and LM co-taught a course on LE MEPRIS for a time at the London Consortium and the volume arises from that.
― the pinefox, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link
I have a feeling that Sympathy for the Devil / One Plus One has fallen out of copyright - The Sunday Times gave away a free DVD of it a few years ago - which would explain its appeal to a low-cost TV station like London Live.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:24 (four years ago) link
BBC/ITV/Channel 4/Sky TV are never going to show a Godard film these days, certainly not one from the late 60s.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link
(xp) Bingo.
I think London live does screen arthouse with London/groovy 60s theme..iirc pretty sure they've screened Antonioni, Polanski films set in London..
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:32 (four years ago) link
Talking Pictures has.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:42 (four years ago) link
Yeah Tom, that's why I excluded those stations.
I've seen LondonLive show lots of the sort of films you catch on BFI Flipside blu-rays, which yeah is more London-related and also nowhere near Godard in sensibilities. But there's a lot of overlap between fans of grindhouse and arthouse.
TalkingPicturesTV has also shown Herzog's Nosferatu!
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 27 January 2020 11:15 (four years ago) link
(xp London Live also showed about 100 second-string Ealing movies but has now devolved into Norman Wisdom films. there was also a handy string of old Punk documentaries. the thing i find odd is all the london gangster / football hooligan films they show at night, not a very pro-london choice)
― koogs, Monday, 27 January 2020 11:20 (four years ago) link
Godard, pas à bout de souffle au temps du Covid-19 https://t.co/cep2BU2wcL via @libe— Julien Gester (@juliengester) April 8, 2020
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link
Why is Jean-luc Godard dressed as Wallace? pic.twitter.com/GfzmJMj3A5— Andrew Power (@andrewpower_) April 7, 2020
― mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
Great anecdote during that interview was JLG saying - and my understanding may be off but my French is pretty ok - Rivette planned on making "Bande des Quatre" with JLG, Duras and the Straubs as leads but Duras refused when she learned the Straubs were involved ! Huh?!?
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link
Also - never saw JLG smile as much before as in this interview. Bless him.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
There is a Dziga Vertov retro on Mubi Denmark. Do the rest of you have that as well? They are more interesting than good, but I do have a soft spot for a film like The Wind From the East.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
I remember bumping into your mate, xyzzz, at a screening of The Wind From the East!
― Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
Huh, I would have thought it too Maoist for him :)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
I like A Film Like Any Other most... just give me the rawest shit from that period. Tout Va Bien is imo the only real keeper from 68-72 (actually I'd throw Le Gai Savoir in there)
Loved him touching his face so much lmfao
GODARD NO!!! pic.twitter.com/zrjmWEDud3— Nicky Smith (@nickyotissmith) April 7, 2020
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
i saw The Image Book the other day and loved it, what else has he done in the last 40 years that measures up
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
'Histoire(s) du Cinema' and 'Nouvelle Vague' and 'Goodbye to Language' aaaaaaaand that's it, I think
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
ok cool haha
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
JLG par JLG
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
don't listen to fred about anything
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
i will listen to all of you
(but, thanks!)
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
Hey, I love a lot of it, but at the level of The Image Book? Very little is
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
i've not seen about half of them but (including one plus one) but the period from la chinoise (1967) to numero deux (1975) is probably actually my favourite: he's swapped out "the girl, the gun" (american cinema's primary language) and swapped in "a third-world marxist student's notion of revolutionary ideology, the gun" and is falling dizzily in and out of amused lust with the latter as the relationships go awry (exactly as they did with "the girl" in every one pre-chinoise) -- all the while basically inventing ultraleft-shitposting-on-twitter as cinema's coming language (which no one takes him up on) (until twitter)― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:37 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglinkalso "basically inventing" = "largely stealing off of debord" as debord never ever stopped huffily pointing out lol― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:40 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:37 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mark s, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:40 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
yeah if you like The Image Book his Histoire(s) du Cinéma is the only equal really. ~5 hours, thoroughly brilliant, though I like The Image Book more for its severity and concision.
Also check out all his millennial era shorts... Origins of the 21st Century, The Old Place, Je Vous Salue Sarajevo, and Liberté et patrie are all great and all "sampled" in The Image Book.
Maybe I'm in the minority but imo it's pretty thin gruel post-1980. For Ever Mozart, First Name Carmen, Hail Mary, In Praise of Love, Goodbye to Language, Film Socialisme... BOOOOOORING! but they have their moments. specifically all of the impressionistic experimental video work.
xp
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
His 'second wave' in the eighties was boring (except for Passion) but I like In Praise of Love as well. The colors in part two are insane!
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 18:36 (four years ago) link
So many hot and steamy wrong takes. His Eighties run was fantastic for the most part. Nineties as well.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link
It's the '60s run that sucked!
― Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:32 (four years ago) link
Jestin' obviously. Godard reminds me of what someone said about Prince once, that there are few artists whose fans disagree so much about what his best and worst efforts are.
― Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Film Socialisme > King Lear > Contempt
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
I haven't seen King Lear but yeah Contempt is overrated
Love the second half of In Praise of Love, i.e. all the stuff he included in The Image Book
Every Man for Himself stands out though, I don't think he made a movie like that before or since.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link